Update on CSE and Dr. Hovind's status.

We have heard from Dr. Hovind. He is faithfully serving the Savior in the Escambia County Jail. He has already lead at least two men to the Lord. The mother of one of the men called to CSE to thank us for an answer to her years of prayer.

CSE continues to operate: www.drdino.com. Dinosaur Adventure Land and the bookstore are still open during winter hours. We had about 120 visitors last week. The daily radio program on: www.truthradio.com continues as well, answering live questions on: creation, evolution, and dinosaurs.

We may write to Dr. Hovind. All incoming mail to prisoners is subject to screening and censoring. Dr. Hovind will probably not be able to answer letters sent to him. Pamphlets, books, CDs, or DVDs should not be mailed to him.

If you would like to write to Dr. Hovind, his address is:

Kent Hovind #135733
G203
P.O. Box 17800
Pensacola, FL 32522-7789

To those who do / will  write:

No poloroid pictures -  only pictures printed on regular paper are allowed.  No staples, no money, no stamps are allowed.
Several men in with Dr. Hovind would love to have pen palls including five new converts.  Contact the office, if you would like to get involved in the ministry.

We request your prayers for Dr. Hovind and the Creation Science Evangelism Team.

CSE Staff

104 Comments

  1. DannyLuker November 9, 2006 2:16 pm Reply

    So here we may be seeing the real reason Dr. Hovind is jailed.

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    So the judge, jury and prosecution unwittingly are instruments of God to
    answer the heart felt prayer of mother longing to see her jailed son find his
    way home. Praise God!

    In Christ,
    Danny

  2. christiffany November 9, 2006 2:26 pm Reply

    I am in shock over the IRS “bulleying” of Dr. Hovind. They want the Church out of the State, but not the State out of the Church. It sickens me but I have to look to the creator of the Universe for answers. We were born with free will by The Creator, and I know He is using Dr. Hovind for his Glory. It saddens me however that Dr. Hovind must suffer this way for the cause. I would gladly take his place as I have done nothing to further the cause of Christ as he has. I want Dr. Hovind to know my family and I are praying for him fervently, growing up Catholic I was never taught the LOVE of Jesus Christ and God’s never-ending POWER. Dr. Hovind has taught me what a POWERFUL, OMNISCIENT God we serve and my prayers for him will go on.

  3. adriennegilbert November 9, 2006 7:38 pm Reply

    Well, this is a very exciting ministry opportunity for Dr. Hovind. Thanks for keeping us updated on him. Does he have any access to e-mail, or just snail mail? I have been praying for the Hovinds and CSE since this blog site got started. So many scriptures apply to this situation, but I am reminded of Matthew 5:12. “Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” And the “exceeding glad” is literally like jumping for joy. I will always remember Saturday night at Boot Camp last year, thinking about all the eternal rewards as they played the song “Thank You”. Thank you, Dr. Hovind, and CSE! We love you and are praying fervently.

    Adrienne

  4. BillMcC November 9, 2006 9:52 pm Reply

    Thanks for the update. I, as probably many others, have tried to follow the news but find mostly slurs. I hope God will bless Kent and I will continue to pray for him. Bill

  5. christiffany November 9, 2006 11:00 pm Reply

    Dr. Hovind is a hero of the faith. This illegal bulleying of the IRS is SHAMEFUL! I grew up thinking evolution was truth while being sent to Catholic Mass on Sunday and the two never made any sense to me. I became born again in 1997 after seeking the truth and Dr. Hovind just fueled my passion for the Creator of the Universe. His teachings make me love The God that God is…. so omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If I could take Dr. Hovind’s place I would in a minute, as I have not been a quarter of one percent as faithful to the spreading of the gospel as he has. HE’S ON FIRE FOR THE LORD JESUS and I feel sooo sorry that the evil in this world is trying to throw water on his fire. Jesus is in Dr. Hovinds jail cell with him and I know His will is being carried forth. I pray for Dr Hovind, his family, his release! It is so easy to say, “it is God’s will” when you are not the one sitting in jail. I know Dr. Hovind will not lose faith in his Lord, but Lord, take care of him I pray.

  6. tunefish November 10, 2006 12:03 am Reply

    Great to hear he’s still in the game regardless of the circumstances!
    Thank you for the address! Can’t wait to see how God will use him in the future!
    I know these are hard times for all of you, but if he has been put in jail for serving the Lord,
    than you know you can truly rejoice in the sufferings as your reward is great in heaven! Stand strong!

    God bless!
    Benjamin Sveen, Norway.

  7. JR Turner November 10, 2006 2:05 am Reply

    Is Casey Rodgers really a judge or is she an impersonator?

    1. I find NO RECORD of a Casey Rodgers at the Florida BAR.
    http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/MESearch?OpenForm

    2. Could this be her REAL NAME? Margaret Catherine Rodgers

    http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/STATEMEM/EC28E72B3A85C6E685256A840034466D?OpenDocument

    Member in Good Standing CLER Exempt – Not Eligible to practice in Florida

    ID Number: – 961809

    Firm: 1 N Palafox St Pensacola Florida 325015665

    Phone: 850.4358448

    Fax: 850.4377897

    E-Mail: casey_rodgers@flnd.uscourts.gov

    County: Escambia

    Circuit: 1

    Admitted: 10/01/1992

    3. Does so called judge have her required OATH OF OFFICE? This OATH must be IDENTICAL to the one in the Florida Constitution.
    Read this article asap: There is already a major lawsuit underway in Florida on the OATH issue.
    http://groups.google.com/group/Lawmen/browse_thread/thread/a86416d615c9c96f/e7174455c9786d7f#e7174455c9786d7f

    Don’t forget to check her federal oath of office also.
    Federal Oath Of Office
    5 USC 3331
    This oath is in addition to any state oath.

    TITLE 5 > PART III > Subpart B > CHAPTER 33 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 3331

    § 3331. Oath of office Release date: 2005-05-18
    An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

    The courts jurisdiction can be challenged at any time. No oath means no jurisdiction means a violation of Kent and Jo’s due process rights.

    4. Why is this so called court listed as a company with Dunn and Bradstreet?
    http://smallbusiness.dnb.com/search-results.asp?country=US&name=US%20District%
    20Court&state=FL&referrer=gwslookup&cmeid=EOR100527&cm_mmc=Proprietary*DNB.com*Home%20Page*Search%20Box&bhcd2=1163118355

    5. Get the CUSIP number from the BONDs assigned to Kent and Jo. Get trial folder from court clerks office. Take digital
    pictures of all documents in folder for future reference. If they refuse you access to the folder ask for the law in
    writing that prohibits you from taking inventory of the folder.
    http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/9841-cusip-numbers-human-stock-trade.html

    “President Ronald Reagan said it best in 1983: ‘Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive…(it) reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.’

    Trinsey v. Pagliaro, D. C. Pa. 1964, 229 F. Supp. 647
    Statements of counsel in brief or argument are not sufficient for motion to dismiss or for summary judgement.

    CALABRETTA v FLOYD; “A public official may NOT manufacture immunity by inventing exceptions to well settled doctrines for which the Law provides no support.”

    “Whenever legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.”
    - John Locke 1690

    Current Tax Code Called ‘Incomprehensible’

    AccountingWEB.com – April 18, 2006 – In a prepared statement concerning statements made by the current Treasury Secretary before a U.S. Senate subcommittee, Dr. Lawrence A. Hunter, Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI) Economist and Senior Research Fellow, said that, “Treasury Secretary John Snow finally admitted to the Congress what every American taxpayer has known for years: the Internal Revenue Code is incomprehensive and unintellible even to the experts who prepare the tax returns, enforce the law and collect the taxes.” Secretary Snow continued, “The problem we are talking about is the bewildering complexity of the code itself.”

    The people are bound to get wise to what this absurdity is doing to them one of these days and, when they do, look out…But let no one underestimate the power of the opposition. Our only hope for relief is in the greater power of the masses. Sooner or later that power will be asserted… T. Coleman Andrews-Former IRS Commissioner

    SHOW US THE LAW – WHERE IS IT??? Why put people in jail when there is no law that can be found???

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru

    http://www.hopewoodshome.com/eTmp/fone/ewac.htm

    http://www.americanradioshow.us/archive.html

    http://www.freedomtofascism.com

    http://www.givemeliberty.org

    http://www.freedomabovefortune.com

    http://www.joebanister.blogspot.com

    http://www.save-a-patriot.org

    http://www.famguardian.org

    http://www.nontaxpayer.org

    http://www.originalintent.org

    http://www.ottoskinner.com

    http://www.patriotnetwork.info

    http://www.penaltyprotester.org

    http://www.theft-by-deception.com

    http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

    http://www.constitutionalincome.com

    http://www.christianliberty.org

    http://www.taxtruth4u.com

    http://www.vivienkellems.com

    Kent and Jo Hovind are INNOCENT!

  8. Dana S. Pennington November 10, 2006 6:50 am Reply

    The Christian is a man who can be certain about the ultimate even when he is most uncertain about the immediate.
    ~ Martyn Lloyd-Jones

  9. OldPaths November 10, 2006 9:37 am Reply

    THANK-YOU JR FOR THE EXTRA INFORMATION. WE CONTINUE TO STAY UPDATED AND PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THE CAUSE HERE IN MICHIGAN!

  10. McGurk November 10, 2006 9:39 am Reply

    Government is ordained of God.

    The Legislative Branch of the U.S. government makes our laws.

    The Judicial Branch of the government interprets laws.

    Kent Hovind thinks that it his HIS job to interpret the law, that he is smarter than the Judicial Branch and all of the law-abiding citizens of the U.S., and that everybody has to go by HIS interpretation.

    Kent Hovind is a silly man.

    That is why he is in prison.

  11. bachman November 10, 2006 12:22 pm Reply

    McGurk, which statue/law/ etc… is Hovind actually accused of breaking? which law says we must pay an income tax? watch freedom to fascism on google video for more on that. I’m not sure I understand your statment “government is ordained of God.” IF that’s the case, was soviet Russia ordained by God? Should we have obeyed athiestic/marxists laws that are unjust? I know God is in controll, and that everything works to to the good of those who love him, but if there is evil in the world, such as the soviets, or the IRS, shouldn’t we fight it? “the judicial branch interprets the laws.” one only has to look at roe v. wade, and recent rulings about homosexuals that the judges are often wrong and anti-scriptural. So no, Hovind is not silly, in fact he is more pricipaled then you because he doesn’t simply go along with the authorities to avoid trouble when he relaizes certain things are unjust. The governement is of the people for the people, or so its supposed to be in this country. With that in mind, who’s going to keep the government accountable. Sorry, McGurk, but your arguments fail to hold water here, in fact, I think I support Dr. Hovind even more after reading what you wrote.

  12. selena November 10, 2006 1:24 pm Reply

    I am so excited (but not at all surprized) to hear of Dr.Hovind’s continued faithfulness in times of great trial! It appears our great Creator is expanding Kent’s ministry into the prison system, and I am sure many grieving parents with sons behind bars with Kent have reason to hope today. My prayer is that God will use him in such a mighty way as to silence his foolish critics who have no idea how God might be working in this situation. When Joseph was sold by his own brothers into slavery no one could have anticipated the wonderful way God would use it for his glory and to help the very people who commited the sin. our continued prayer is for a very lenient judge, but ultimately the decision is in God’s hands, as it says in Proverbs–The kings heart is in the hands of the Lord, He directs it like a watercourse whereever He pleases. I pray that Jo Hovind will not do any time at all, and that God will strengthen and encourage the whole family. Shalom.

  13. user November 10, 2006 1:24 pm Reply

    Please take into account that Kent and Jo have been separated by force. They are each sitting in a cell. This must be unbearable for both of them – not knowing the future. Please, if you have the means to help and the Lord leads, please step in and help.

  14. jrayfm November 10, 2006 1:47 pm Reply

    I have prayed for Kent and the CSE team as they endure what must be GOD’s plan to reach more souls with your ministry. I have followed the activities as of late and wish all the best to the team. GOD bless you as you continue HIS work.

  15. selena November 10, 2006 3:27 pm Reply

    Caissie—-Mat 17:24 ¶ And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute [money] came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

    Mat 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

    Mat 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

    Mat 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

    Jesus is in agreement here that the “kings of the earth” donot collect taxes from their own children but from strangers. But arent we all ignoring this passage where He clearly states, “so as not to OFFEND them, we should all pay anyway, even if we disagree?
    why is no one mentioning this passage in this dialogue?
    Iam anxious to hear what this means in relation to this dialogue of paying taxes, I am little worried though, since no one on this blog seems to have any opinions, that no one will give me feedback!!

  16. djhouk November 10, 2006 3:34 pm Reply

    Bachman,

    The majority of the charges (44) of which Kent and Jo were convicted were completely unrelated to the payment of taxes. They were for a crime known as “structuring”. Basically, it’s making cash transactions with a bank in such a way as to purposely avoid the bank’s requirements to report the transactions. It is a very specific federal statute. And Kent and Jo offered no defense.

    I’m tired of the rhetoric on these blogs about “show me the law that they broke” or “God doesn’t require us to pay taxes”. They are irrelevant to the majority of the charges the Hovinds were convicted of. Also, the “I didn’t know” defense argument also fails. Clearly, they knew the bank’s reporting requirements in order to evade them.

  17. mtlionsroar November 10, 2006 9:35 pm Reply

    So sorry to hear about this Dr. Hovind! We are praying for you! Praise God for the two who now have salvation because of you. Our ways are not God’s ways. Remember, Paul was in prison too! Praying for God’s intervention.

  18. bachman November 11, 2006 2:49 am Reply

    I’m not sure I completely understand the reporting requirements and their purpose. For example, as was previously stated on this blog, if the speed limit is 60 miles and hour, and you go 58, you’re fine, but if you go 65, you’ll get “reported.” Even if the majority of the charges are not “relevent” to majority of the charges, the fact is, some of the charges are relevant, so yes, I still want someone to show me the law that they broke, where is the federal law? As far as the I don’t know argument, I think you’re misunderstanding the argument. You can be aware that the reporting requirements are 10,000 dollars, and say, well, I don’t want to be reported because I don’t want the government in my buisness, so I’ll write a check f0r 9,200, without knowing that there was some gigantic consquence.

  19. Caissie November 11, 2006 11:57 am Reply

    selena–The context of Matthew 17 is about paying the temple tax. It is God’s temple. The tax is found in Exodus 30. Just think of the commotion it would cause if Jesus said, “I am God’s son, and therefore I am exempt from paying the temple tax”.

    Another thing to notice is Jesus did not have to dig into his own pocket to pay it. His Father gave him the coin.

    Another reason that not paying the temple tax at that time would be an offence is that Peter already told them the Jesus pays the tax. If Jesus did not pay, it would make Peter a liar.

    http://www.biblelaw101.com

  20. McGurk November 11, 2006 12:10 pm Reply

    “A Word to the Wise is Sufficient.”

    If I am willing to break a law because I do not agree with it, I must be willing to face the punishment, and to admit that the situation is because of my own disobedience.

    If I am walking on a sidewalk, and a National Guardsman with a loaded rifles tells me to get off the sidewalk, even though I may have a “legal right” to be on the sidewalk, I, personally will get off the sidewalk. If I am shot dead, it is my own fault. If I am shot dead, it is because I loved walking on the sidewalk more than I loved my life.

    Kent Hovind was told by the authorities that he was breaking the law. The judges interpret the laws in America, not Kent Hovind. (In his inflated view of his own ideas, he thought his superior intellect and reasoning would overwhelm the court. Unfortunately, if you are going to “take the bull by the horns” you have to be bigger than the bull!) Kent Hovind could have given the money that the government required, and still had plenty to live on. There was no reason for Hovind to keep the money other than greed. Kent Hovind loved money more than his freedom.

    Now he is in prison. It is his own fault.

  21. joshrjb November 11, 2006 5:34 pm Reply

    I was very saddened to learn of Brother Hovind’s imprisonment. But I’m glad to hear that two people in prison have been added to the Body of Christ because of this. I just hope God makes a way for Kent to get out soon and go home.

  22. djhouk November 11, 2006 10:28 pm Reply

    User wrote: “Please take into account that Kent and Jo have been separated by force. They are each sitting in a cell. This must be unbearable for both of them – not knowing the future.”

    Actually, their future is now rather clear and fairly certain. When they are sentenced in January, they most likely will each serve several years in prison. BTW, Jo is currently free on bail.

  23. OahuSheer November 12, 2006 1:29 am Reply

    My heart is like (most) every one else’s here, saddened at the persecution the Hovinds are facing, but knowing the Lord uses everything for the good. To become a “tax-free religious organization” and give up Freedom of Speech against wrong-minded politicians is a contract Dr. Hovind is man enough, or should I say, Christian-enough, not to sign. I understand what Jesus was saying in Matthew 23, but would He address a government’s tax that was used against His Word in the same manner? Would He wish us to contribute money to a government that uses this money to seduce the masses with an anti-God agenda? To misguide our impressionable youth with public schools of worldly indoctrination? To finance studies to disprove obvious indicators of Intelligent Design, and to keep their lies alive when they are proven untrue day after day? Are we to divide our hard-earned income between tithing to faithful ministries that further His Word, and at the same time support ungodly leaders who mandate teachings that deny His Truth? This money is used to cause millions to question the Creation, the Flood, and the wonderful gift of Salvation in a world of blind sinners who lie, steal, use God’s name as a curse word, commit adultery with their lustful hearts, treat their parents like dirt, worship worldly things, and have no idea whatsoever that they really will have to face a holy God on Judgment Day, in who they have been taught to deny even exists? What is the more abominable sin? Failing to pay Caesar what is his, or contibuting to empower a godless and wicked society bent on eternal damnation? What if every Solidly-Saved Christian refused to pay any income tax at all, simultaneously? Do you honestly think they could take us all to court, throw us all in prison? What if the money we pay in taxes was used to PROVE Creation? PROVE the Flood? We’d already have the Ark in the Smithsonian, the Grand Canyon would be a Holy National Monument, legalized abortion would be a past history worse than the Holocaust, and our citizens would be living lives for Christ, instead of mass iniquity and immorality. Has anyone wondered why the press hasn’t run with Dr. Hovind’s current predicament, but can’t cover Pastor Haggard’s fall from the pulpit, enough? Could it be they don’t want a single soul to possibly find out what a horrible lie the general public has been fed regarding evolutionism and so-called modern science?

  24. zaphnathpaaneah November 12, 2006 12:21 pm Reply

    For all those government is ordained of God people.

    acts 5:29

    the apostles all died a marters death because they obeyed God rather then corrupt government.

    Paul was delivered to the corrupt leaders of this world as a testimony against them

    Jesus Christ is Lord!

    the reason the pharisess and scribes did not recognze Jesus Christ as the Son of David
    because they became corrupt and they put there own law above the commandments given to them
    on mount sioni.

    so many people worships Satan the accuser ,the God of this world that is what paul did when he was called Saul

    be ye converted Saul so you can be called Paul

    read the bible cover to cover so you have a clue what the gosple is about

  25. mfox November 12, 2006 2:14 pm Reply

    djhouk,

    So let me make sure I have you right. As far as you are concerned Hovind’s tax policy is o.k. You are upset with the size and frequency of his bank transactions. If only he would not spend as much of the money he legally collected and withdraw it in a more normal pattern, then he would not trigger a report from the automatic monitoring system (this system monitors all of our banking by the way; Big brother?) in place as part of the Bank Security Act. He would not be guilty of structuring. We could let him out of jail and all go back to worrying about our phones being taped without a warrant. Do I have you correctly?

    -Mel

  26. OldPaths November 13, 2006 12:58 am Reply

    I had a dream the other night, I didn’t understand.
    A figure walking through the mist, with a flintlock in his hand.
    His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by my bed.
    He took off his three cornered hat, and speaking low he said:

    We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty.
    We wrote the Constitution, as a sheild from tyranny.
    For future generations, this legacy we gave.
    In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    “You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun.
    Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
    On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
    Although you have no voice in choosing, how the money’s spent.

    “Your children must attend a school, that doesn’t educate.
    Your Christian values can’t be taught, according to the state.
    You read about the current news, in a regulated press.
    You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.

    “Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.
    You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
    You pay for crimes that make our Nation, turn from God in shame.
    You’ve taken satan’s number, as you’ve traded in your name.

    “You’ve given government control, to those who do you harm.
    So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm;
    And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail.
    Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.

    “Your public servants don’t uphold, the solemn oath they’ve sworn.
    Your daughters visit doctors, so their children won’t be born.
    Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.
    And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people’s wars.

    “Can you regain the freedom for which we faught and died?
    Or don’t you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?
    Are there no more values, for which you’ll fight to save?
    Or do you wish your children, live in fear and be a slave?

    “Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
    Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!
    Preserve our great Republic, and each God given right.
    And pray to GOD to keep the torch, of freedom burning bright.”

    As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.
    His words were true, we are not free, we have ourselves to blame.
    For even now as tyrants, trample each God-given Right.
    We only watch and tremble, too afaid to stand and fight.

    If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you’re asleep,
    And wondered what remains of our Rights he faught to keep;
    What would be your answer, if he called out from the Grave:

    IS THIS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE???

  27. byfaithalone November 13, 2006 7:29 am Reply

    Selena
    The tribute money in the original Greek means two drachmas being in value about 15 pence Sterling. Some translations (like the New International Version) refer to temple tax. It was a head-tax, which is an exact amount of money and not a percentage. Neither was it based on a sliding scale, in other words the higher the income the higher the percentage tax. The coin in the fishes’ mouth was a four-drachma coin to pay for Jesus and for Peter. Therefore it had nothing to do with income tax. It could be something like an entrance fee and even though Jesus was not obliged to pay the money he did so not to offend people. One should not take this passage out of context to say it was a blanket approval by Jesus to pay any percentage income tax. No, the amount was a small fixed amount and nothing like 30% of one’s income.

    In Christ
    Byfaithalone

  28. Questioner November 13, 2006 8:23 am Reply

    JR Turner–

    If you have credible evidence that Judge Rogers is an impersonator, I would think you have a duty to report that evidence to federal and Florida authorities. If what you’re saying is true, then not only is the Hovinds’ case null and void, but also all of the murderers, rapists, drug dealers, and other violent criminals who may have been tried in Judge Rogers’ court would be entitled to new trials. It would be a scandal of national proportions. By all means you should report her to the authorities–that is, if you have credible evidence.

    Yet I don’t see the specific evidence that would establish her impersonation of a federal judge in your post. Where is it and why haven’t you reported it?

    As for the Dunn & Bradstreet listing of the court: All courts have a similar listing on Dunn & Bradstreet. This is because Dunn & Bradstreet lists every organization, whether public or private, with which it has a credit report. The listing on Dunn & Bradstreet has no legal significance whatever about the legitimacy of the court.

  29. JG November 13, 2006 9:59 am Reply

    Hey Kent Hovind
    we are praying for you right now.

  30. chaplaindoug November 13, 2006 10:11 am Reply

    There appears to be three types of people responding to this blog. (1) Those who love and trust CSE and its leadership and therefore support the cause, (2) Those who may not be familiar with CSE but who understand the constitutional issues at hand and understand what standing on truth and principle can cost, and (3) Those who have never found time to stand for anything that would cause them to pay any personal price for their “christianity,” yet who can always find time to attack those who are making a stand for truth.

    If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point. – Martin Luther

    Times of persecution always cause the true church to rise to the top, and the false “church” to rear its cowardly head.

  31. djhouk November 13, 2006 11:09 am Reply

    bachman,

    For the record, the federal law which the Hovinds broke is the Bank Secrecy Act. The relevant portion is U.S.C. 5324, a copy of which is here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode31/usc_sec_31_00005324—-000-.html

    It’s a little different than the speeding analogy; there’s nothing illegal about withdrawing as much money in cash as you have in an account. What’s illegal is purposely structuring the transactions to avoid the bank’s reporting requirements.

    Note that it wasn’t one or two large cash withdrawals, but at least 44, sometimes multiple times a day. As far as not knowing that evading the reporting requirements is illegal; I would point out that the Hovinds offered NO defense to these charges –NONE. I don’t know why they didn’t, but one explanation might be that they didn’t have one.

    mfox,

    Just to be clear, I’m a Christian and I pay my taxes. I have little sympathy for those that don’t. But rather than debate the tax protesters on this blog, (who are a pretty vocal bunch!), I just wanted to point out that most of the charges and prison time the Hovinds are facing has nothing to do with the payment or nonpayment of taxes.

  32. zaphnathpaaneah November 13, 2006 11:51 am Reply

    Ask the judge if he is of oath and affirmation , if he made an oath to serve the constitution of the united states, also ask him if he has other allegiances to foreign intrests like secret societys ,
    makeing an oath to the queen of England. you will find out that in many cases the judges on the stands only authority is the accuser of the breathren, then if you really want to be shocked ask if it is allowed for judges and lawyers to lie under oath.

  33. redeemed4truth November 13, 2006 1:29 pm Reply

    I was given Dr.Dino’s seminar tapes approximately 5 years ago. I was so angry when I found out I had been lied to my whole life, I got born again and have since been living dedicated to the LORD. I have seen many wonderful works by our Creator, and have no doubt that the fruit from this ministry is bountiful, and very good. Any Christian that believes that God is punishing the Hovind’s for taking a stand against the beast is seriously misguided. I can’t think of a single person that sold out to Jesus and lived a trouble free, easy life. Read about what happened to all of the apostles and tell me that the Hovind’s “deserve” what they are getting.

    This situation is further evidence that we are in the last days when good is called evil and evil is called good. We have men that are very rich financially that are responsible for thousands of murders of innocent babies. Truly the last days. All I know is God is good, and He will repay.

    Kent,

    Your dedication has birthed thousands of souls. Your reward is unimaginable. I know our God will keep you and even exalt you. Do not listen to the lies of people who criticize your actions. As a man of faith I know that you are NOT outside the will of God. I pray for your comfort through this tribulation, and peace upon you and your family. Just to let you know I have personally led dozens to faith, and distributed several of your seminars to people and seen transformation in their lives as well. You have inspired many to go on the attack against the lies of the devil, and I am just one of them. Be encouraged and never allow the lies of the enemy to take hold in your mind. God is with you.

    In Christ

    Another Soldier

  34. McGurk November 13, 2006 1:42 pm Reply

    Roses are red.

    Violets are blue.

    I pay my taxes.

    Kent Hovind should, too.

    10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
    1 Timothy 6:10

    22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
    1 Thessalonians 5:22

  35. JR Turner November 13, 2006 4:13 pm Reply

    Dear Questioner

    It is good that you are a questioner. Questioners must be willing to do their own research to make the truth known to themselves. Researchers become Knowers at some point. What evidence will you accept? As you can see by my previous post I have done some research and even provided many URL’s to assist those who are actually looking for answers. Go to the URL’s and begin your further education.

    This evidence is posted on item #3 in my previous post. Did you read it? The process you question has already begun. Follow it and see where it leads. Here is the URL again. Will you go there and read it?
    http://groups.google.com/group/Lawmen/browse_thread/thread/a86416d615c9c96f/e7174455c9786d7f#e7174455c9786d7f

    Here is more research on this topic being done in Alaska http://www.jusbelli.com . Click on the RED pill then scroll down to “Notice of No Official Bond”. You will have to read this also, otherwise you will remain a questioner and never bemome a knower. Are your rights worth a little research on your part? Mine are. I am only trying to help others. If we don’t know the truth we can’t combat the lies!

    I like very much what “chaplaindoug” had to say above at NOV 13 10:11AM. Will you read it?

  36. Jeff Johnson November 14, 2006 1:55 pm Reply

    Which jail is Dr. Hovind being held in? Also, what is that jail’s address and phone number? And what days/times are visiting hours?

    Thanks and God bless !
    Jeff Johnson
    Dallas, Texas

  37. mfox November 14, 2006 10:06 pm Reply

    Questioner and All,

    Guilty of violating 31 USC section 5324 (structuring). It seems you should change your tag. You seem to have all the answers. Let’s not start at the verdict. Let’s go back in time a bit.

    Dr. Hovind and his wife for that matter are sinners. They are saved by grace. They deal but they do not deal drugs they deliver the gospel of Jesus Christ. This is the only business in which Kent is interested. He started the ministry of Creation Evangelism to that end. He travels around the country and world for that mater giving seminars on the lies of evolution and the Truth of the Bible. As part of this ministry Kent collects money. This money is given to him freely by people with full knowledge of his ideology and opinions on taxation.

    In short Kent believes that as a ministry of God any money collected is not subject to taxation. The Biblical support for this view is compelling. Kent also believes that the 1st amendment of the constitution guarantees that ministries of God can’t be subjected to taxation. I confess that I do not understand this claim totally. But I do not think it is unfounded. Two things are certain in Kent’s mind; as ordained by God he should not pay taxes from the money collected by his ministry and the IRS along with other government officials believe he should.

    He made a decision at least 15 years ago to obey God and not men. Some have accused him of the love of money. This is funny. I wonder if they are aware that he intentionally does not copy write any of his material so that the Truth of the gospel can go out to all men unhindered. This means his tapes can be copied at will and no royalties can be claimed by him, love of money, ha!

    He has been accused of trying to hide the fact that he was not paying the taxes the IRS claimed he should. This is inconsistent with at least some of the facts. Kent explains in some detail within the text of his seminar how it is that ministries of God are exempt from taxes just because they are ministries of God and for no other reason. He goes further to say that he has no intention of paying these taxes. This is all on tape. Explain if you will why he would go to such great lengths to hide not paying taxes in his bank transactions all the while professing his defiance for all to hear.

    It is most likely true that Kent does not like the idea that his bank transactions are being monitored and even more distasteful that a report (SAR) might be filed bringing more scrutiny. I don’t know about you but I am not a big fan of scrutiny. So, it is very likely he limited his withdraws as to avoid the SAR. He is a smart man but it is also possible he was unaware of the structuring law. I was. Did you know of this law? I assumed that a person in a free republic would be able to withdraw any amount of his money from the bank as often as he likes. I understand the law now that I am aware of it and am happy to comply. I don’t know if Kent was warned specifically about the structuring violations or just his tax problems in general, do you?

    In any case, we agree that the structuring would not be an issue if the IRS was not sore about losing its revenue from this dumb hick who is too stupid to file for incorporation (a whole other can of worms). The question of his ministry paying taxes is then the real issue, not the size and frequency of his bank transactions. So, I will now second or third the request of others; exactly what law did Hovind break by not paying taxes? I am not talking about structuring or any other corollary crime. Exactly what law says he has to pay taxes? I think there probably is one. Can anyone find it?

    -Mel

  38. djhouk November 14, 2006 10:35 pm Reply

    I must say, I’m amazed at the number of postings on these blogs that argue either:

    – based on the Bible, Christians don’t have to pay taxes
    – or, the income tax is either voluntary or unconstitutional

    As a U.S. citizen and a Christian, I have a difficult time understanding either of these arguments. It seems to me that as citizens of this country, we benefit from the things our taxes pay (e.g., defense, law enforcement, and the judicial system, to name a few). While I would be the first to agree that my tax dollars aren’t always spent the way I would like, we do have a representative government in which I have a vote as to how they are spent. It seems to me morally wrong to take advantage of the things provided by taxes and, at the same time, not pay them.

    I’m also surprised at the number of Christians involved in the tax protester movement generally. I wonder what kind of testimony/message that sends to our non-Christian brethren.

    Incidentally, a good website that addresses the tax protester arguments is: evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

    I’d be interested in hearing alternative views….

  39. baliset November 15, 2006 8:15 am Reply

    “chaplaindoug” presumes to categorise all contributors to this forum by dividing us up into
    -Those who “love and trust” Hovind,
    -Those who *ought* to “love and trust” Hovind but don’t know the specifics of the situation, and
    -Those who have never stood for anything but spend our time attacking others.

    The sole criteria for admission to this last category is to not support Kent Hovind. (And if this wasn’t clear enough, those in the latter category are all in the “false church”).

    Others like the serial pest poster “jesus is lord” opine “…don’t we have enough against us with satan and his demons which include certain irs agent (or elders)?” For another poster, “Jesus is coming back”, opposition to Hovind is easily explained: “You seem to revel in the misfortunes of Dr. Kent Hovind. This is because you are spiritually blinded and a child of Satan.”

    Based on this kind of support, I would gently like to propose a different taxonomy of posters to these forums:

    1. Those people of a gullible disposition who are now caught uncomfortably in the light, compounding their guilt of supporting a fraud with the additional shame of defending a criminal.

    2. Those who don’t necessarily give a hoot if the nut pushes flintstones science, but who are happy to jump on the (almost equally nutty) bandwagon of insisting that to be required to pay for the common good of hospitals, roads and welfare of society represents a monstrous conspiracy against an individual’s selfish desire to enjoy the fruits of civilization without paying for it, simply because the founding fathers regarded it as boneheadedly self evident that government levies taxes for the common good and can do so in any manner that attains majority consent, without putting every last jot in the constitution because saying so is like putting a label on a McDonalds coffee cup that says “coffee is hot”. As we Australians say, “Der!”.

    3. Those who, as Christians with a concern for the integrity of who projects the public face of our faith to the world, recognises that a duly constituted court has charged a Minister and his wife with criminal offences and has convicted them, well aware that the acts were premeditated and had as their goal, the financial benefit of the perpetrators.

    Let me tell you something. Reading this forum and those like at the Pensecola News Journal have really changed my mind about something. Previously, I thought fundamentalist Christianity in America was a zealous, but harmless cultural aberration. Now, I can see that many fundamentalist Christians are dangerously ignorant of both scripture and science, and bereft of common sense as well. I’ve never seen such a manifestation of credulous, narrow minded fruitcakes in all my life.

    I started by thinking to myself “these people are sincere and believe their Christian brother has been terribly wronged by an injustice.” Now, I finally understand how Kent and other frauds like Ken Ham have grown rich in your fertile soil. America, it now seems obvious to me, has a rich vein of idiots.

    Stop defending Kent Hovind! He’s not your hero and shouldn’t be anyone’s, ever. His career is a career of fraud. His ministry has been a story of prideful lies, told and retold despite bulletproof refutations over and over and over again. Pin Kent Hovind down on a point of logic or scientific fact and he would dissemble, only to repeat the claim a day later at the next credulous Church lecture on Creationism.
    Stop rationalising his imprisonment! Yes, God uses people regardless of their circumstance, and God’s use of Kent’s circumstance is as an example to others of *what not to do or be* if you want any integrity as a man or as a witness. If you want to know the lesson from this sorry mess, then I can spell it out.

    -If you don’t want to go to jail for stealing money from the common good, don’t be like Kent Hovind, who thought he was better than those God has appointed to interpret and enforce the laws of the land.

    -If you want the name of Jesus to be praised, don’t be like Kent Hovind, whose awful “creationist” ministry was a cause of universal scorn, and whose sorry fate has undoubtably caused ten times as many seekers to reject the Gospel of Jesus as he will claim to win over in Prison.

    http://baliset.blogspot.com

  40. FontCity November 15, 2006 10:26 am Reply

    Dear Dr. Kent Hovind,

    It had come known to me today, that You are arrested. I decided that I should speak my mind.

    At first please let me pay You my huge respect. Recently, I have seen your videos about the Creation. Almost at the same time two my friends, a 7 Day’s Adventist and a Babtist gave me the avi files. I have seen all seven avis, some episodes was seen a few and even a lot of times. I fell in delight with your stuff. The lectures are bright really! They are very interesting and convincing. And also helpful and useful. I am greatly thankful to You for your excellent work!
    A year ago my friend and I visited the Mountain Moses in Egypt. I have created a DVD and present the copies to my relatives and friends. I wished to include a fragment from your «Questions and Answers» on this disc. I have taken the «What about the Red Sea crossing?» question and added your name and web address.
    I am ready to help your team in translation the Creation seminar to Russian if You still need this kind of help.
    And, yes, I will share this videos with my friends and familiar persons.

    Secondly, Naturally, I can’t be aware about what had happened with You and your taxes. I couldn’t explain this, but I am strongly convinced that You are innocent. I can not believe that You are a criminal. Let’s hope in vaunted American fairness and democracy. Let’s be sure that the problem will be resolved in your favour.

    Further on, What the sum does the IRS charge to You? Maybe, we all should help your ministry and everyone pay by a bit? I am not a rich man, but I am ready to make my contribution. What else can we do? Any way, I wish You to be strong and successful. I will be glad to see your new lectures and I am full of hopes that I’ll see them.

    Finally, Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Igor. I am a citizen of Russia. I live in Tver, about 200 kilometers to North-West from Moscow, approx 600 kilometers from Saint Petersburg. I am interested in the Christianity within almost ten last years and study the Scripture as I can.
    Please, forgive me for mistakes. English isn’t my native language. A hope, my text is at least understandable.

    Thank You once again. Good luck!
    Respectfully yours, Igor B. Shipovsky (fontcity.ru)

    http://fontcity.ru/

  41. McGurk November 15, 2006 10:51 am Reply

    Charlie,

    One of your arguments seems to be, “Because the government is EVIL, we shouldn’t send them our tax money.” This idea is never found in the scriptures.

    Joseph and Mary paid taxes to one of the most evil governments in the history of the world.

    Luke 2
    1 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
    2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
    3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
    4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
    5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

    And, God commended Joseph as a righteous man.

    We are called to preach the gospel, not to try to defraud the government of taxes.

    Kent Hovind may believe that the government has no jurisdiction over him, but he is sure sitting locked up in the government’s prison this morning.

    What has he gained? He could have handled his money according to the law, and still had plenty to live on. Then he would be free to preach the gospel, instead of bringing embarrassment and humiliation upon the body of Christ!

  42. bachman November 15, 2006 11:26 am Reply

    Baliset, yeah, calling American “fundementalists” “fruitcakes” and “narrow minded” is helpful to your position, it really makes me want to listen to what you say. Yup, keep name calling, it sounds very mature. Yeah, we know how great Australia is by now, you can stop beating your own drum. Your assult on Ken Ham and by decudtion, Young Earth Creationists is also thinly veiled. Why should we take advice from you, when you’re obviously hostile to us?

  43. AlainaJ November 15, 2006 4:58 pm Reply

    Only those who are saved and indwelt with the Holy Spirit can understand the Word of God and spiritual things. Paul makes this very clear as does Jesus himself. In the book of Acts chapter 5 verse 28, Paul is commanded to stop teaching in the name of Jesus Christ. He has been in prison for this,already. Paul responds in verse 29 ” We ought to obey God rather than men.” Anytime the Word of God is in conflict with the givernemnt or any authority (your job), you must obey God or you are denying the Lord Jesus Christ. Even if you must suffer in the physical sense. That is why Paul was beaten and suffered so. He warns us that all who seek to follow him will also suffer. Jesus says we must die to our self, take up your cross and follow me. Forsake all-

    Here in the last times, we must take up our cross and follow Christ. The world is Satan’s kingdom and the world is almost over. Jesus is returning for his Chruch, the true body of Christ.

    Get your kids out of the public schools and homeschool them. Obey God and stop fearing man. We are not to fear man , who can kill the body, but fear God, who after our death has the power to cast us into hell. Many Christians, as I do, beleive that our government is in a state of treason agaisnt it’s self. The bill of rights is gone, thanks to the Military Commissions act and the Patriot acts. A new Hate Speech bill will be passes this next year. Your kids are being sold to the devil in the government schools. Your “illegal” tax dollars are paying for abortions and other crimes against God. Our second amendment rights have been infringed.

    Please go to Google video and watch “From Freedom to Fascism”. You will see the truth. The bible tells the truth. Now, I don’t know Mr. Hovind personally, so I can’t say what happened or what he was thinking. However, let me asy this. In NAZI Germany, Christians turned in their Jewish neighbors to the gas chambers, because it was the law. Yet, many died instead and chose to serve God and not Satan. The choice is yours. If you die tomorrow you will stand before God. Will he say well done, my servant- or will he say he never knew you?
    Alaina J

  44. JohnLake November 15, 2006 5:02 pm Reply

    In response to;

    mfox said this at 10:06pm 11/14/2006 –
    “As part of this ministry Kent collects money. This money is given to him freely by people with full knowledge of his ideology and opinions on taxation….
    In short Kent believes that as a ministry of God any money collected is not subject to taxation.”

    JohnLake – Whether Kent believes this or not is irrelevant, however, up to a point he is correct. The money collected by a ministry is not taxable, provided it is used for the operation of the (not-for-profit) ministry.

    However, this case was not about any taxes owed by CSE for the money it collected. This case was about the income taxes not withheld or reported by CSE for the employees working at the ministry. It does not matter who a person works for, their personal income or wages they earn are taxable. The employees of CSE are not individual charitable nonprofit organizations.

    mfox said this at 10:06pm 11/14/2006 –
    “Kent also believes that the 1st amendment of the constitution guarantees that ministries of God can’t be subjected to taxation.”

    JohnLake – Let see what the 1st Amendment says;

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    I do not see any reference to taxation, and as I said before, this case was not about taxes owed by CSE for money it collected from donations, merchandise sale or park admissions.

    mfox said this at 10:06pm 11/14/2006 –
    “He made a decision at least 15 years ago to obey God and not men. Some have accused him of the love of money. This is funny. I wonder if they are aware that he intentionally does not copy write any of his material so that the Truth of the gospel can go out to all men unhindered. This means his tapes can be copied at will and no royalties can be claimed by him, love of money, ha!”

    JohnLake – This is not entirely true. The material is protected by copyright (just check the bottom of http://www.drdino.com). Hovind has chosen not to enforce the copyright and he allows the copying and re-distribution of his material.

    mfox said this at 10:06pm 11/14/2006 –
    “He has been accused of trying to hide the fact that he was not paying the taxes the IRS claimed he should. This is inconsistent with at least some of the facts. Kent explains in some detail within the text of his seminar how it is that ministries of God are exempt from taxes just because they are ministries of God and for no other reason. He goes further to say that he has no intention of paying these taxes. This is all on tape. Explain if you will why he would go to such great lengths to hide not paying taxes in his bank transactions all the while professing his defiance for all to hear.”

    JohnLake – Once again, Hovind’s beliefs are irrelevant. One can believe that the speed limit is 90 mph or that adulterers should be stoned to death, but that does not make driving that speed legal and I think stoning is still illegal in the US.

    As for the bank transactions, the issue was not the taxability of the money. The money you withdraw from your personal bank/checking account is not taxable no matter what the size of withdrawal.

    The issue was that he was making these transactions in such a way as to avoid the automatic reporting of large withdrawals. Why would he want to avoid reporting large withdrawals? Because, he would have to account for the money (the law is meant to prevent money laundering). If he had to account for the transaction, he’d also have to report that the money withdrawn was being used for CSE payroll, which he was also not reporting…

    …which leads us to my final reply to mfox;

    mfox said this at 10:06pm 11/14/2006 –
    “The question of his ministry paying taxes is then the real issue, not the size and frequency of his bank transactions. So, I will now second or third the request of others; exactly what law did Hovind break by not paying taxes? I am not talking about structuring or any other corollary crime. Exactly what law says he has to pay taxes? I think there probably is one. Can anyone find it?”

    JohnLake – Here you go;

    http://128.253.22.246/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26_10_C.html

    USC TITLE 26 Subtitle C CHAPTER 24 §3402 Income tax collected at source
    (a) Requirement of withholding
    (1) In general
    Except as otherwise provided in this section, every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and withhold upon such wages a tax determined in accordance with tables or computational procedures prescribed by the Secretary. Any tables or procedures prescribed under this paragraph shall—

    (A) apply with respect to the amount of wages paid during such periods as the Secretary may prescribe, and
    (B) be in such form, and provide for such amounts to be deducted and withheld, as the Secretary determines to be most appropriate to carry out the purposes of this chapter and to reflect the provisions of chapter 1 applicable to such periods.
    .
    .
    .
    (d) Tax paid by recipient
    If the employer, in violation of the provisions of this chapter, fails to deduct and withhold the tax under this chapter, and thereafter the tax against which such tax may be credited is paid, the tax so required to be deducted and withheld shall not be collected from the employer; but this subsection shall in no case relieve the employer from liability for any penalties or additions to the tax otherwise applicable in respect of such failure to deduct and withhold.

    USC TITLE 26 Subtitle C CHAPTER 24 §3403 Liability for tax
    The employer shall be liable for the payment of the tax required to be deducted and withheld under this chapter, and shall not be liable to any person for the amount of any such payment.

    USC TITLE 26 Subtitle C CHAPTER 25 §3509 Determination of employer’s liability for certain employment taxes
    (a) In general
    If any employer fails to deduct and withhold any tax under chapter 24 or subchapter A of chapter 21 with respect to any employee by reason of treating such employee as not being an employee for purposes of such chapter or subchapter, the amount of the employer’s liability for—

    (1) Withholding taxes
    Tax under chapter 24 for such year with respect to such employee shall be determined as if the amount required to be deducted and withheld were equal to 1.5 percent of the wages (as defined in section 3401) paid to such employee.

    (2) Employee social security tax
    Taxes under subchapter A of chapter 21 with respect to such employee shall be determined as if the taxes imposed under such subchapter were 20 percent of the amount imposed under such subchapter without regard to this subparagraph.

    (b) Employer’s liability increased where employer disregards reporting requirements

    (1) In general
    In the case of an employer who fails to meet the applicable requirements of section 6041 (a), 6041A, or 6051 with respect to any employee, unless such failure is due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect, subsection (a) shall be applied with respect to such employee—

    (A) by substituting “3 percent” for “1.5 percent” in paragraph (1); and
    (B) by substituting “40 percent” for “20 percent” in paragraph (2).

    (2) Applicable requirements
    For purposes of paragraph (1), the term “applicable requirements” means the requirements described in paragraph (1) which would be applicable consistent with the employer’s treatment of the employee as not being an employee for purposes of chapter 24 or subchapter A of chapter 21.

    JohnLake

  45. ddjshelton November 15, 2006 5:05 pm Reply

    I’m sorry to say that I’m not surprised that Dr. Hovind has been arrested. The more noses you tweak, the more sure you are of attracting the wrong kind of attention. Nobody likes to pay taxes, whether they be “lawful” or “unlawful.” I’m sorry to say, that is NOT the point! The point is, when you are in a position of leadership, an educator, like Dr. Hovind, you have to be warey of the way you conduct yourself. Don’t give them any reason to stop your ministry. Play the “good citizen,” even if you don’t necessarily agree. Think of your testimony. So many years of work… I only pray that people don’t discount the lot for the Doc’s mistakes. Like it or not, CSE will now carry a stigma because of this whole ordeal. The Doc helped me to increase my faith, and be able to give answers to the heathen evolutionists and “athiests” of the world. I’ll always love him for that, and he will remain in my prayers. Moreso now than ever. But a word to all of you out there who are involved in the ministry… do what the gov’t tells you to, UNLESS it is against the Word of God. If they say “pay,” you PAY, if they say “go,” you GO! Don’t give them any reason to mess with you. It’s hard to preach when they shut your mouth. God bless you all, and please pray for the Hovinds. Is there an address for Jo as well?

  46. jigufli November 15, 2006 6:54 pm Reply

    “Kent Hovind may believe that the government has no jurisdiction over him, but he is sure sitting locked up in the government’s prison this morning.

    What has he gained? He could have handled his money according to the law, and still had plenty to live on. Then he would be free to preach the gospel, instead of bringing embarrassment and humiliation upon the body of Christ! ”

    this is the whole point of the matter. people forget that when they apply the Bible to their lives thoer lives that they must apply all of it and not just the parts that they want.

    when the Bible says it is free to be interpretated by man that does not mean that believers, or secular people, have the freedom to interpret scriptures to allow them to commit sin. no where does the Bible grant permission for people to sin and when one interpretation violates scripture then that interpretation is wrong.

    Jesus said that ‘He was the way, the truth…” there is only one truth and followers of Christ must submit themselves to that fact and act accordingly. yet it must be remembered that one scripture does not over rule another as the Bible must be taken together as a whole if one wants to find the truth.

    Jesus said,’ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free’…that does not mean free from obedience to governing laws but free from sin. arrogance is a sin, thus any thought coming from that attitude is tainted and wrong.

  47. BadBob November 15, 2006 7:53 pm Reply

    I am not an attorney so I naturally am confused why Dr. Hovind has been sworn to silence. Isn’t this how they crucified Jesus by conducting a secret trail in the middle of the night. The Scopes trial was very public and publicized. I pray Dr. Hovind has an attorney that knows what he is doing. If it were me, I would be shouting it from the roof tops!

  48. djhouk November 15, 2006 8:13 pm Reply

    JohnLake,

    Thanks. I couldn’t have said it better myself. People on these blogs keep asking “show me the law that Hovind broke”, as though he was indicted for simply being unpopular. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that every charge in an indictment directly references the specific section of code violated.

  49. mfox November 15, 2006 8:28 pm Reply

    Thank you JohnLake, now we are getting somewhere. I must research the laws you have sited; this may take some time. I agree with you in that I don’t see anything in the 1st amendment where by individuals working in ministry would be released from any tax liability. I am now investigating the framers of the constitution and their opinions on this subject as recorded in the Federalist papers and records from the 1st congressional congress. Again your input here is valued. I did not realize Hovind hand changed his position on copy write, interesting.

    As far as Baliset is concerned, I hesitate to even respond. Look perhaps you were antagonized by some of the language at this blog, so I forgive you your name calling. You should understand that attempting intellectual bullying, ad baculum, is a logical fallacy and gains you nothing in reasonable discourse. I disagree with you with respect to the scientific evidence in favor of a young earth and in support of Biblical accounts. I assure you this does not make me an idiot. Perhaps Kent Hovind was legally wrong with respect to the constitution, perhaps not(How many of the jurors were experts on the constitution?). This be true, it would not make him wrong on points of science. We would have to address these items of your concern one by one. I am prepared to do so with you here or at any other site you would name.

    Would all Christians here agree that the most important issue here is not what Kent Hovind believes about taxes, not what Melvin Fox believes about taxes, not what the IRS believes about taxes, but rather what God almighty says about taxes. If it is the case that God specifically rejects the notion that any money collected for His purpose be offered up as taxation to any government, good or bad, in any way including as a tax on wages earned by workers in the ministry, then would not that trump even the constitution together with the missives of the framers? I offer up the former question to all interested parties.

    -Mel

  50. warocuya November 15, 2006 9:54 pm Reply

    Dear McGurk, djhouk, baliset, jigufli,

    As an American Indian I disagree with you.

    and John Lake, good points but I still disagree – Can you guess why?

    Robert

    http://www.warocuya.bravehost.com/

  51. Geocentric Bob November 15, 2006 10:16 pm Reply

    I find it very interesting that Kent Hovind determined in his heart to withhold payment of taxes from a bully government that is so much bigger in resources to fight with. First of all, the church has higher authority than government. The church is the pillar and ground of the truth. If Kent knew his ministry to be “the church” then he has reason to stick to his convictions. Every local church is autonomous, so his own local church has the authority to discipline him and bring him back into fellowship if they should desire to do so. The rest of the world is typically going to fall into three camps – ignore him, scorn and separate from him or love him, but they are not his local church and have no authority other than to do those simple actions. Some may choose to make him an example of what not to do.

    To me it’s pretty simple. Don’t avoid the requirements of government unless it clearly hinders the work of the great commission or scripture doctrine to teach your family the scriptures. We have been blessed with laws from our Christian fathers to exercise our faith. The spirit of antichrist is working more and more to bring us to the end and we are closer to the end than we are to the beginning. Those who are saved during the coming seven years of tribulation may have to die for their faith and will have to deny the mark. Some may die of starvation because they cannot buy or sell without the mark of the antichrist in power. This government is working towards that end.

    Think about it. The education system is teaching a wicked religion of anti-God evolution. The financial banking system that we use every day is a wicked paper dollar creating scam and can monitor every transaction. The judicial system defends both. The government will make you a criminal by choice or neglect. Everyone is a criminal in God’s eyes until you get it cleaned up with Jesus.

  52. JR Turner November 15, 2006 10:46 pm Reply

    Once again it appears that some are intent to post their opinions here without even an ounce of proof to back up their claim.

    Here http://www.originalintent.org is one source of well researched documented evidence; however, you will actually be required to go and read it on your own. Once this information is acquired, one will be able to continue their research with greater ease and skill. Please go here http://www.originalintent.org/edu/districts.php and here http://www.originalintent.org/edu/lies.php The only things that would keep you from going to these web pages and learning are fear of knowing the truth, apathy, laziness or death.

    This website http://www.originalintent.org is only one of the many websites that are listed in the lengthy Nov.10 post above.

    This documentary movie should open your eyes http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=Freedom+to+Fascism&hl=en
    The documentary movie website is here http://www.freedomtofascism.com
    This website should be up and running by Nov. 20 http://www.freedomdvd.us

    This post is an attempt to spoon feed those unwilling to dig deeper so they will not pass this massive fraud on to their own children and grandchildren.

    Will you do it for the children??? The children DO NOT deserve ANY of this!!!

    In this case your BELIEFS serve NO PURPOSE, only what can be PROVEN!!! DIG DEEPER!!!

    Kent and Jo Hovind are INNOCENT!!!

  53. baliset November 15, 2006 10:59 pm Reply

    I don’t need to rely on my own opinion of the matter, you Americans have said it for me, and far more eloquently.

    This reading is from your own fierce, freethinking revolutionary firebrand, Thomas Paine:

    “It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.

    It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive any thing more destructive to morality than this?”

    I can’t conceive of a more fitting definition of either Kent Hovind or of Ted Haggard. How could I improve on these immortal words?

    http://baliset.blogspot.com

  54. selena November 16, 2006 12:13 am Reply

    Beloved baliset: what is your problem?? what is so wrong with Kent Hovind having supporters, who love him and believe in him, and who happen to have an opinion and whether or not we are supposed to pay taxes in this country? I don’t know if you claim to be a christian or not, I have been to your site and for the life of me cannot figure out what it is you believe, exactly. I did find this link http://baliset.blogspot.com/2006/01/is-nathan-heretic.html, (thank God) which helped me out greatly!! heck, even my ignorant fundamental narrow minded brain was able to wrap around this one! help me out here, sweetie, ARE YOU FOR REAL?!?
    you claim kent hovind was universally scorned for his views, and are certain that many more have been totally led astray because he now sits in prison. WHO exactly scorned him, besides you, and the likes of you? you claim to believe the bible, but you reject those who are your brothers because they donot agree with you or your darwinistic teachings. i thnk you are the fraud here, and i think it is pointless to waste words with you. I have to say the one redemption on your whole site is the second half of the picture that has your son in it, if he is your son, he is a cutie!! I will pray that in his lifetime he will have the opportunity to be exposed to the truth!!
    i also want to say, those of us who love and support hovind are terribly upset right now. it is devastating to us who have been so impacted by his teachings, and whether you like it or not, he is universally loved as well, and of course there are always those who oppose the truth, as you so aptly demonstrate each time you write on this blog. WE are grieving about what has happened to him, and his family and worried about what will become of his ministry. you sir, are callous and unfeeling and the only reason you come here is because you want increased traffic to your blog. I have nothing personal against you and I don’t agree completely with kent hovind regarding taxes, but I donot believe in kicking someone while they are down. i also donot see how attacking his ministry is beneficial to anyone. so take a hint from this credulous fundamental christian fruitcake aberration: if you don’t like it, DON’T COME HERE!

  55. Gordon_Comstock November 16, 2006 12:21 am Reply

    djhouk, you are ignorant. Ignorant of the law, ignorant of your own government, and, if you are subscribe to an “unlimited” view of Romans 13, then I’m afraid you are ignorant of your own Bible.
    djhouk, if you would actually do real and actual research, before you offer unschooled opinions, then you would know that the 16th Amendment, which yoked U.S. citizen-slaves with the Income Tax WAS NEVER LEGALLY RATIFIED ACCORDING THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
    Read “The law that never was: The fraud of the 16th Amendment and personal income tax” by Bill Benson. Better yet, since I know you sit in front of a TV screen for many, many more hours than you sit in front of a book, watch the movie “America: From Freedom to Fascism.”
    Therefore, as these and other sources verify conclusively that the Income Tax is unlawful, then even an “unlimited” interpretation of Romans 13 teaches that mandatory Income Tax is unlawful to the Christian, because you and I, djhouk, were not born into a monarchy, you and I were not born into a dictatorship, you and I were not born into a papal state–although folks like you have done and are doing your best to see this come about. You and I, djhouk, were SUPPOSED to have been born into a Republic, which means our LEADERS our ourselves, i.e., WE THE PEOPLE, and the LAWS OF THE LAND. If you have a law that was never ratified according to the LAW OF THE LAND, then you have NO RESPONSIBILITY to adhere to it, even according the most unlimited interpretation of Romans 13 you could dream up.
    So why have Americans been so duped into being so unlawfully robbed?–Well, for starters, they suffer from ignorance, same as you, I’m afraid. Second, they have been intimidated by gov’t sponsored thuggery, and by Byzantine legalese and number shifting that not even Einstein could solve, as he said so himself.
    djhouk, I wonder, I honestly wonder, if you have as much vitriol toward our own gov’t CIA-sponsored drug smugglers who fence money in this nation’s banks all the time, and play “structuring” games and what all whatever else, and then sell to the gangs, then to the children, and get campaign dollars and black op budget kickbacks and all that–I say, I wonder if you have as much vitriol for a Mena- Arkansas-Airport-Cocaine-smuggling Bill Clinton, and Dan Lassiter, and Barry Seale, and Ollie North, and George Bush, as you have for a guy like Kent Hovind just trying to exercise his rights as a free, 18th & 19th century American, in the Amerikan Slave State of the 21st century.
    Shame on you for welcoming so quickly the yoke of bond slavery to human gov’t, djhouk.
    You should be a bond slave to something, Someone, a heaven-of-a-lot higher than that.
    And no, that doesn’t mean you gotta go do the militia thing, though there’s a lot less wrong with that than you probably estimate.
    But what it DOES mean is that you should shut off the TV. Now. Right now. And the radio. And cancel your newspaper. And forget about major magazines, and major book publishers. That’s all part of the world’s information system, and this world belongs to Satan (to which Jesus Himself did not deny), and Satan is the Father of Lies. And you are being lied to at every corporate news stop, djhouk. They are playing you like a fiddle–keeping you dumbed down, uninformed, happily entertained by ignorant of you own country’s legacy and legal matters.
    Read books from small, independent publishers.
    And enjoy the Internet while you can. Your buddies are coming for that too. But you keep on paying them, helping them out.
    I leave you with the words of Samuel Adams, djhouk. No, he’s not a beer. What he was, was a true American hero. And he had some words for you. He spoke them 200+ years ago, but they were for you. Here’s what he had to say to you. Yes, YOU:

    Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776:
    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    djhouk
    Said this at 10:35pm:
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    I must say, I’m amazed at the number of postings on these blogs that argue either:

    - based on the Bible, Christians don’t have to pay taxes
    - or, the income tax is either voluntary or unconstitutional

    As a U.S. citizen and a Christian, I have a difficult time understanding either of these arguments. It seems to me that as citizens of this country, we benefit from the things our taxes pay (e.g., defense, law enforcement, and the judicial system, to name a few). While I would be the first to agree that my tax dollars aren’t always spent the way I would like, we do have a representative government in which I have a vote as to how they are spent. It seems to me morally wrong to take advantage of the things provided by taxes and, at the same time, not pay them.

    I’m also surprised at the number of Christians involved in the tax protester movement generally. I wonder what kind of testimony/message that sends to our non-Christian brethren.

    Incidentally, a good website that addresses the tax protester arguments is: evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

    I’d be interested in hearing alternative views….

  56. Caissie November 16, 2006 3:51 am Reply

    A pharaoh had a dream once. He could not interpret that dream. God, through Joseph (the boy with the coat of many colors), interpreted the dream for Pharaoh. He told him that there was going to be seven good years, followed by seven years of famine. Pharaoh then made Joseph second in command and in charge of overseeing the nation (Egypt) to get ready for the famine. During the famine, many cities came to Egypt for food. At first they bought food with the money they had stored up. Then when they ran out of money, they traded their flocks and herds of cattle for food. Then when they ran out of cattle to trade, they then sold their lands and themselves into slavery to Pharaoh.

    “Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land. And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones. And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants. And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt unto this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part…”[Gen 47:23-26]

    Did you notice that these people who were now owned buy Pharaoh only had to pay a 20% income tax! No property taxes, or sales taxes, or all the other hidden taxes…but just a 20% income tax! If you think about it, being a slave to Pharaoh at this time was a whole lot better than being “free man” to the United States where the average citizen pays over half of his income to Caesar. This year the average worker worked until June 12 before Caesar got his cut from your yearly income.

    Our founding fathers revolted over much less and I consider most of our founding fathers as strong Christians and heros.

    http://www.biblelaw101.com

  57. 2ndamenduser November 16, 2006 7:27 am Reply

    Selena,
    Let me try to help you and others understand why Jesus paying tribute does not apply to Bro. Hovind. The Jews were under tribute to the Roman government. They had been taken over by a foreign government. When you have been taken over, the best thing to do is obey them unless they tell you to do something that violates the law of God.

    We as Americans have formed our own government “by the people, for the people”. We the People are in charge. When our representatives or other elected or appointed officials violate our rights, we, as sovereign citizens, have the right to stand up for our rights and fight those who would violate them. That’s why we have a second amendment. Modern citizens and government officials have no idea of the rights they have given up and abused respectively. This is not the America of yesterday. Pantywaists and pacifists have been deceived by those who have worked to destroy the foundations of our countryand now their mantra has swept through the ranks of “Christians” to the point where a man like Kent Hovind is considered a law breaker instead of a patriot. Bro. Hovind has not taken a stand because of his opinion of the law, but because of his knowledge of the law. He is merely demanding that his rights not be violated. He has a right to do so. Though he is not in jail for not paying income taxes, he was targeted because of it. A law designed to stop money launderers and criminals, not law-abiding citizens is being used outside of its legal intent as a means to persecute him. But God is greater in His planning than all the evil machinations of the devil. So, pray for God to use him and don’t believe those who pick at the “faults” others proclaim he has who do not understand the law and its constitutional restraints.
    An unconstitutional law is no law and should be treated as null and void.

  58. 2ndamenduser November 16, 2006 7:44 am Reply

    Old Paths, Great poem! Thanks a million!

    Bea Dunkel, Great comment!

    Baliset, You sound like a wolf proclaiming itself to be a sheep. Your tirade is so contradictory and hateful, you deserve no further comment.

    McGurk,
    Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    Only [edited] pay taxes
    By law they don’t have to.

    If Bro. Hovind loved money, he wouldn’t allow people to copy his tapes and send them back for a refund!
    Being railroaded by unconstitutional tyrants doesn’t make the falsely accused or falsely convicted evil. Did the apostles fail to abstain from the appearance of evil because they were in jail for preaching when told by “officials” not to?
    You handle the Word of God deceitfully. The fact that you do not understand that justice has been perverted makes me wonder in what other area you are perverted.

  59. turtlejs November 16, 2006 12:12 pm Reply

    Will you judge a man by his “God-given convictions”? If you are a true believer in Christ, your job is to be an encouragement to your brother. Let’s leave the judging to God and do our part in preaching the gospel of Christ. Let’s not lose focus of what our purpose here on earth is…to preach the gospel to every creature. It’s obvious to me that Brother Hovind is still obeying the Lord’s commandment. (As of yesterday, I’ve heard he’s led at least 5 people to Christ, is teaching a Bible study, his topical series, and math class.) He’s definitely being used of the Lord. Are you? Let’s redeeem the time while we still have it!

  60. mastersonix November 16, 2006 7:17 pm Reply

    If you search news articles, they say that the Hovinds are guilty of all charges because they didn’t bother to defend themselves. Kent Hovind is one to take a stand for what he believes in yet he remained silent. Why? I have read all the articles online and nobody answers that! Why did he not defend himself?!

  61. OahuSheer November 16, 2006 8:26 pm Reply

    As the soundly-saved Christians in this blog accept the fact that Dr. Hovind and his wife, Jo, are under undue persecution for “hiding” their bank withdrawls from the overseeing eyes of the IRS in an attempt to not having CSE’s moneys seized due to IRS scrutiny, or classifying CSE’s many employees as honest missionaries (which they are, in my book, by the way) and therefore not withholding their “necessary” taxes, we still understand the Bigger Picture of it all. We also understand the usage of our tax dollars going to fund military security, health and hospital support, and the upkeep of our transportation requirements (the ones that aren’t already funded through our state taxes and state vehicle registration fees, plus industry-specific added charges). What we don’t like is supporting a flawed, un-Godly national public education program (which is also financed by property-owning state residents by state/county tax funds, too), ACLU-activities, judges that let child sex-offenders run free while giving weaker and weaker sentences to various felons of all sorts, programs that pay for murdering unborn babies, pork barrel funds, and useless grants for life cycle studies of the tse-tse fly, besides basically throwing the Constitution of the United States in the trash as a period-related document, or questioning its contents as too restrictive for a “more accepting” society. (Why is it that the people who say we should be “more accepting of other viewpoints and lifestyles” are the most unaccepting group out there when we don’t agree to THEIR views or accept their lifestyles?) (When these folks say, “It’s wrong to condemn someone because of their beliefs,” aren’t they condemning someone for their beliefs? And isn’t that a belief that they hold, too, in itself? But, I digress…

    I would prefer, as probably most, to be billed seperately for each tax group (military, highway, medical support, pork barrel waste, etc.) like our home property/water/education taxes are divided, as to determine where our money is actually going, and determine whether it is a worthy cause of public support. That way, we could streamline our arguments to our “representatives” in a more understandable platform, than having everything carelessly grouped together and we being labeled as tax protestors who don’t care about the truly needed forms of government. At the least, the government would know how much it has in its coffers in an effort to budget these programs, and if an increase in fundraising is needed, or if these programs should be simply cancelled. Of course, you would have a lot of democrats against paying for the military (but supporting abortions), people without children in public school against school taxes, and people seriously interested in the life cycles of a tse-tse fly being rather disappointed… But I think it would also be a more fairer form of taxation, in which our forefathers started rallying against back in Boston, when representation wasn’t even being allowed, in the first place. Now, we just want more accountability for our tax dollars, and we don’t want them being used against us or our freedom of religion.

    Is that too much of a pipe dream?

    It doesn’t really matter, much, now, anyway. As an above author reminded us, good will be seen as evil, and evil will be seen as good. The forces of evil are just getting started in their final, last ditch effort of this Holy Battle on the Earth. The times, they are o’changin’, and it will get worse before it Gets Better, when Christ returns with His “Big Bang.” So sit back, fasten your Christian seatbelts, and get ready for a wild ride…just don’t forget to tell Everyone what is going on, and Who they will need to save them! If they don’t Figure It Out, beforehand, maybe they’ll remember what we told them when we’re Gone…

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  62. mfox November 16, 2006 9:38 pm Reply

    It appears the legal case for relief from taxation for religious stewards is weak. One only needs to research Reynolds v. US 1878 to see that the court’s opinion is that the 1st amendment prohibits legislation against opinion but does not restrict legislation against action. So, Dr. Hovind can believe all he wants to that he should not pay taxes but the government will require them of him no mater how religious his objection.

    If God Himself does not want those in his service who receive a wage for that service to pay tax on that wage, then the US government is in direct and entrenched conflict with the will of God. If that is the case then Kent is a prisoner of that conflict. If that is not the case, then Kent is paying for his misinterpretation.

    As for the framers, they seem to have been of the opinion that any sort of internal tax should be avoided through serious efforts to find the required revenue via alternative methods. It seems we have lost their zealousness for keeping the burden of tax light on the citizenry.

    -Mel

  63. djhouk November 16, 2006 10:11 pm Reply

    Gordon_Comstock:

    Thanks. I think you post pretty much speaks for itself.

  64. Jenjen November 17, 2006 8:29 am Reply

    Hi everyone!

    I hope everyone is doing good. I hope that the Hovind’s are well. I live in Sweden and there aren’t that many people here who knows who Dr. Kent Hovind is. And they don’t really know what’s happening. I am not in a posission that I can pass judgement. Ackording to the Bible we are all sinners and all guillty of wrong doing. And wether Kent is guillty or not to what he is charged with I can’t say, but I don’t think it really matters. God will use him where ever he is. And I have been truly blessed thruogh cse’s teaching. And I can just say that when you tell people about what has happend they get a real quriosety about what this man has done. They are truly interessted in hearing what he has to say, since it clearly made the American goverment investigate him. All we are to do is to pray that God will use this whole situation to glorify His name.

    The name of Jesus irritates.

    Just like salt in a cut, we are to irritate.

    Be blessed!
    Jenjen :-)

  65. lettheredeemedsayso November 17, 2006 8:38 am Reply

    Bro Hovind I want you to know that I am praying for you and your family during this time. May you have sweet communion with Jesus in the valley. in Christ, linda

  66. George G. November 17, 2006 8:55 am Reply

    As so many have already written, I am deeply sorry to hear of this turn of events. I have had the privilege as many as you have to be spend dozens of hours watching Dr. Kent’s Lectures on CD. Last year I was able to attend two of his lectures in North Carolina, and even manage to sit next to him at the lunch table.

    I know you all have heard Kent say, that he was a servant of the most High God, and that he would go where God sent him to preach the Love of God to anyone. Sometimes things happen in a unexpected way. I know the Lord will continue to use Kent even in jail. There are going to be some lives changed in that jail because of this event.

    As to the arguments’ about paying taxes, you may not believe this, but Kent is absolutely correct. The law was never designed to tax a man (or woman) for living or earning his living as God commanded. Our right to the pursuit of happiness is antecedent to The Constitution, and I will remind you that it was designed to limit the power of government.
    What has happened to allow this horrible state of affairs in our once great nation? A man can sexually abuse a little girl for years, and get 6 months, and a man can go around preaching the truth of the word of God and get threatened to spend 228 years in jail!
    You know that some of this is our fault, we as Christian have done a horrible job in our stewardship, to allow such abortion of justice to ever get this far.

    A few years ago I spend 100’s of hours and 100’s of dollars trying to educate myself on the law, and what gave the Fed the right to take a mans freedom and property just because the man was trying to earn a living. It is very complicated, but I learned something, our constitution has been shredded so badly that it has become of little effect. I learned some very shocking things about the loss of our freedoms. I had to ask myself, did I want to spend most of my life arguing over the loss of freedoms from the jail, or from the street. So after much prayer, I found a man by the name of Dan Pella, and using the rules in the IRS code, I am able to reduce my forced contribution to the new world order to a minimum.

    In my humble opinion we have effectively lost control of the government by the people and for the people. Its matter of reaching the people for Christ, and bringing them into the kingdom of Jehovah God now.

    May God convict us all about our stewardship, may God help us all to know the time and the seasons. We must take our liberty in Christ seriously. We must be ready and able to be a witness in all situations. We are citizens of Heaven now if we know Christ, and just like our Savior we may be convicted of things we are not guilty of. Put on the whole amour of God, and be ready!

    Pastor Hovand, be of good cheer, may God bless you and keep you safe. I am praying for you and your wife as well as your ministry volunteers. To God be the glory!!!

    Your brother in Christ

    George G.
    Working in Kuwait

  67. Foreverborn November 17, 2006 10:14 am Reply

    My prayers and love are with you all in our Lord Jesus Christ. I received a word of knowledge from Abba Father in with this all. C.S.E. will grow like nobody’s business. It will be more fruitful and muliply for the believers, stayed believers unto salvation for the masses. The Lord wants to bless your ministry as a love offering onto Himself for the praise of the glory of His grace. His gracious grace, mercy and love unto us all in His blessed, precious, holy ~ hallowed be Thy name Lord Jesus Christ; amen! God bless all of you that have hung on. Paul says in Ephesians that sometimes we just have to hang on in faith. The best is yet to come, and by all means lets have it in Christ our Lord. Audrey Telthoester, Mankato, MN.

  68. JohnLake November 17, 2006 10:33 am Reply

    Robert,

    Apparently, there’re a couple of people here who disagree with me, but I’m not sure of your particular reason(s). Since you did not specifically address the first part of your post me, its not because you are an aborigine, right?

    I give up, why?

    JohnLake

    warocuya
    Said this at 9:54pm:

    Dear McGurk, djhouk, baliset, jigufli,

    As an American Indian I disagree with you.

    and John Lake, good points but I still disagree – Can you guess why?

    Robert

  69. louielouie November 17, 2006 11:53 am Reply

    Dr. Kent Hovind and family, I hope that you focus and stay close to the Lord during this time and always remember that God is in control…so don’t fret! Ever!

    I find it very odd that the I.R.S. decided to play their “Facist Gustapo” games just as you were getting ready to leave for Africa to testify and present your case to counter the evolution teaching in their selection of textbooks in that country?

    Hmmm….could ALL this be a distraction to try to discredit you and God’s work in spreading the gospel in that nation?

    I’ll leave you with 2 questions:

    1) Who would have the most to gain if the above is true?

    Read this: http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=480&ArticleID=5307&l=en

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    2) jailed for tax evasion or…political prisoner?

    God Rox!

    Louie :)

  70. Millerfamily6 November 17, 2006 12:31 pm Reply

    Brother & Sister Hovind and CSE staff,

    The Lord’s blessings of grace and peace be with you all through this most difficult trial of your faith. I just want to say that this dear brother in the Lord has strengthened my family in the faith and have been such a blessing to our 13 year old son, most of all. We have watched his debates and seminars, visted DAL, and even met with Brother Hovind and found him to be just a regular Chritian man speaking the truth in love and trying to bring light and truth to those he comes in contact with. He is a soldier for the Lord, earnestly contending for the faith ONCE delivered to the saints, contained in the Holy Bible. We are most grateful for his stand against the antichrist systems of this world (wish that more of the men of God would do the same). We know that all things work together for good to them that love God (and he certainly does!), to them who are the called (and he certainly is) according to His purpose. We will fervantly pray for Brother and Sister Hovind’s release from this false incarceration, but, in the meantime, the Lord will use Brother Hovind for His purposes in the jail/prison to preach liberty to the captives and may the Lord bless him with much fruit for his labours and may his reward be great in Heaven, as we’re sure this is where Brother Hovind’s treasures are laid up in store for him. God speed Brother & Sister Hovind and CSE staff. Be of good cheer as the Lord is with you!

    1 Peter 1:7 – That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ…

    In His Love,
    Michele

  71. Verna November 17, 2006 1:18 pm Reply

    Dear Dr. Hovind, Jo and CSE staff,
    I’m a little stunned by all which has happened. However, I should’nt be when you consider the Word which tells not to be surprised when all sorts of trials befall us for following the Lord. Dr Hovind is a sharp man which is what surprises me most of all this. He knew they were coming for him and his wife? That doesn’t seem likely. We need to remember when Paul was in prison he wrote the book of Joy. We need to lift up the Hovinds and the whole ministry there but we must not dispair. God really is in control. I’ve learned through the years to let God have the things which are out of my control. Do all we can to help and be faithful in prayer but we must be strong to the end and know that God has a reason for this. I can’t help but remember when Paul was imprisioned and had guards chained to him 24/7 and what did he do. He witnesses to them and continued his ministry there in jail which is what our good, faithful friend Kent Hovind is doing. God will use Kent to win souls where he goes. Lets all lift him up. Writing him letters will also encourage him. I’m going to write him I hope others do to.
    God Blesss,
    Verna

  72. matthollycart November 17, 2006 4:24 pm Reply

    I want to give some advice to those of you who have been answering Baliset: Simply ignore him. There is absolutely no profit in answering him or even acknowledging that he has written anything. You are only wasting your time, effort, and emotions on someone who does not care for truth. Seek to convert those who have a desire for truth.

    As for this situation with Brother Hovind, there is no law requiring income tax. The IRS and the fed enforce laws that do not even exist. Most Americans have bought into many things that are unConstitutional and simply follow along like dumb sheep. If every American refused to pay, then the IRS would no longer be able to enforce it. But because there are so few, the government can and will enforce it (as long as the American people let them). This would apply even if there WAS a law and it was unConstitutional.

    You might not agree with Hovind or follow him in these specific ways, but do not judge him until you know all the facts straight from his own mouth. Let him follow his convictions even if you feel he is wrong. This is not a black and white issue in scripture. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    Matt

  73. warocuya November 17, 2006 9:36 pm Reply

    Hello Everyone,

    Just to let you know, there are few haters of Hovind here trying to “blend” in with us like objective christians. Well they aren’t Christians and don’t care about Jesus Christ or our brother Dr. Hovind. They are the same individuals who are on secular blogs cursing Dr. Hovind. Don’t pay them any mind. In fact don’t answer them. Many of them are from Australia. Does anyone know if Satan moved his headquarters to Australia or is he just visiting?

    John Lake,
    To me “Aborigine” means one of the original inhabitants of Australia though the word “Aborigine” means any original person from a region. We do not use “Aborigine” here much.

    My hints (PART I)

    http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/

    Let me know if you still can’t figure it out.

    Robert

    http://www.warocuya.bravehost.com/

  74. praybird November 17, 2006 11:48 pm Reply

    We wanted to let the Hovind family know we are praying for them. Although we don’t understand the allegations, we do know that Dr. Hovinds videos have blessed us tremendously, and we are so glad we found them. He has stood when all has gone against him: His teachings on creation has blessed us and increased our faith. Thank you Dr. Hovind. I do know this, the Lord delivered Paul from the jail, the angel came personally and broke the shackles and delivered him. If he did this for Paul and we know he did, we believe God is able to deliver Dr. Hovind and his wife. We will continue to pray for them, and the Hovind family till this is resolved. Thank you, Don

  75. Gordon_Comstock November 18, 2006 12:09 am Reply

    djhouk:

    Your silence, your failure to respond with any substance, is deafening.

    Gordon_Comstock:

    Thanks. I think you post pretty much speaks for itself.

  76. mastersonix November 18, 2006 12:04 pm Reply

    I figured out now why he didn’t defend himself. It’s so he can appeal to the Supreme Court next!
    I knew he was too smart and couragous to not stand up for himself. I can’t wait to see what happens next!
    That’s also why he winked to his wife as he was being taken away – because this is just the beginning – you wait and see.

  77. CreationCD November 18, 2006 12:53 pm Reply

    John 7:51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

    It seems a lot of people leaving messages have never heard Dr. Hovind’s side of the issue. Please watch the video posted on Google Video’s; (Dr. Kent Hovind) Redeeming the Straw Man.

    Remember John Bunyan, imprisoned for refusing a King’s decree to take a license. He was condemned by many preachers of his day. He and his family suffered terribly for his stand. He stood firm to keep his conscience clear before God and proved that he loved (and feared) God more than the things of this world. I wouldn’t even dare argue whether he was right or wrong today. God has preserved his preaching even to our generation in his book Pilgrims Progress.

    I hope everyone posting messages is praying for Dr. Hovind’s deliverance.

  78. wjm November 19, 2006 8:15 am Reply

    Peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ be upon Bother Hovind and His family. I will continue to pray for Kent and his family and CSE.

    I have been reading about this on other Christian sites as well as this blog. I would just like to point that in nazi germany out of 14,000 Christian pastors only 800 refused to openly support hitler and they were sent to the camps.

    I see the same thing happening here today in america as happened in germany in the 1930′s. I also see the same 95% of My Christian Bretheran following the same path as those 13,200 pastors in nazi germany.

    I support Brother Hovind. I plan to write him and offer whatever help I can to his family while he is incarcerated and, God willing visit him and, minister unto him if, I am able to. Paul only had Luke nearby in his imprisonment and sent for Timothy. seems most of the (so called) Bretheran deserted the Apostle Paul in his time of need also.

    May God Bless you all.

  79. zieglarf November 19, 2006 11:47 am Reply

    Whether we think Dr. Hovind is right or wrong – he is at least standing for what he believes.

    http://zieglar.blogspot.com

  80. Maturekid November 19, 2006 4:24 pm Reply

    Hello All,

    First let me express my support for the Horvind’s and their ministry. I was one of many who was looking for answers to long standing questions that I had regarding Creation and Evolution. Thanks to CSE’s seminar tapes, I got the answers I was looking for. Yes, Dr. Horvind may had some intellectual disagreements with AiG and some other sources but that is normal discourse in science and theology debates. There is no issue there.

    Regarding the tax charges and the other charges, there is likely much we do not know nor can we speak on. Before anyone comments one way or the other, they need to do their research into many of the links provided by J R Turner. In there it is rather clear. There is no law mandating the payment of Federal Income Taxes. That would be totally unConstitutional. Dr. Horvind has made his position clear through his tapes and DVDs. By surrendering a TIN or Social Security number and not filing, an individual is not bound to paying the Income taxes. As an employer, he only is required to request a TIN or SSN from his employees. If they do not provide one, that ends his responsibility as an employer regarding their Federal Income Taxes. Social Security taxes fall under similar guidelines – they aren’t mandatory. As for the Structuring charges, I find it to be quite disturbing that a person can be charged for withdrawing THEIR money from THEIR account in how they deem fit. It may be for protection vs money laundering. But putting an Evangelist in jail? Again, I must refer all to the links JR Turner shared.

    Some say he should agree to paying taxes as a religious institute because he speaks up on his opinions regarding government and candidates for offices. The 1954 restriction was inserted into the IRS Code by Senator Lyndon Johnson as a way to get back at religious institutes. Agencies such as the http://www.aclj.org are fighting to have it overturned as – take a guess – unConstitutional restriction of the 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech and the exercise of religion.

    As for why they didn’t offer a defense, it seems fairly logical to conclude Dr. Horvind’s attorney knows more than we do on the circumstances. It doesn’t mean they are automatically guilty. It could mean they are wishing to expedite his case through the appeals process so the unConstitutional actions of the government can be brought to light in the higher courts. Lower courts are notorious for ignoring the rulings of the Supreme Court in IRS issues. They are exercising his Constitutional freedoms under the law.

    To John Lake, normally I wouldn’t comment on another poster but your reply warocuya requires it.
    1) Aborigines are Native or Indigenous AUSTRALIANS. Warocuya specified he is an American Indian/ Native American.
    2) Study the history of how the US Government treated the American Indian/ Native American. The persecution included but not limited to murder, relocation after their property and lands were taken illegally, bullying, and many forms of brutality. Being targetted for being different (and being here first) or disagreeing with the US Government is well known to them. Study the history of it; then you’ll understand.

    Make certain you know what you are saying is true and thought out before typing or talking. I believe you owe warocuya/ Robert an apology.

  81. Adrienne November 19, 2006 8:55 pm Reply

    McGurk -
    Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    Frederic Bastiat makes some good points on the general nature of unnecessary taxation (he uses the word “plunder” quite often, so plunder = stealing):
    Legal plunder: (p. 17) “See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.”
    (p. 27) “You say: ‘There are persons who have no money,’ and you turn to the law. But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside the society. Nothing can enter the public treasury for the benefit of one citizen or one class unless other citizens and other classes have been FORCED to send it in…when the law does this, it is an instrument of plunder.”
    (p. 9) “…many persons have erroneously held that things are “just” because law makes them so. Thus, in order to make plunder appear just and sacred to many consciences, it is only necessary for the law to decree and sanction it.”

    Bastiat, Frederic. The Law. FEE, 2004.

    Paying taxes for the sole reason that everyone else you know does it does not make it just or lawful. It just makes it part of majority opinion, nothing more. How many times has monumental civil disobedience been first met with ridicule from nearly everyone simply because they are loathe to exert the effort of thinking independently? Did we not used to teach that the earth is not only flat but the center of the universe? Majority opinion measures nothing in the way of truth, only the fallibility of the masses (a shocking concept, I know).

    For those of you who remain unconvinced that legalized plunder is , have fun worshipping Big Brother in a few years. You are the indiscriminate lovers of conformity and the roadblock to improvement.

  82. Michael Deas November 20, 2006 7:34 am Reply

    Personal income tax is unconstitutional. The taxes generated by personal income tax go directly to pay the interest owed by the US government to the US treasury. The US treasury being owned by the true rulers of the world, the richest of the rich. You are paying for your future slavery. You are financing the beast. The “services” you think we need are nothing more than an ilusion to lead the cattle to the slaughter. Please wake up, for your own sake. I love my brother, i must share the seed that falls, through fortune, at my feet. The fate of nations and all their needs, lie trapped inside these hearts of greed.

    I continue to pray for you Brother and Sister Hovind.

    Your Brother in Christ,
    Michael

  83. Dana S. Pennington November 20, 2006 9:34 am Reply

    The more we pay for any truth, the better is our bargain.
    ~ William Law

  84. Millerfamily6 November 20, 2006 11:46 am Reply

    Well said wjm, Adrienne, Maturekid, Dana S Pennington & Michael Deas! This is a great learning place! On to liberty for the captives…may it be so according to our Lord’s will, amen!

    Also, here is a link which shares our brother Kent’s own words as to his stand in this issue: http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Creationism/News/KentHovind-020301.htm. Hope this helps others here understand what is at stake here!

  85. markosll November 20, 2006 3:09 pm Reply

    To all,

    To most people who think that Kent Hovind is in jail because of hes so called “Tax Evasion” need to look a little deeper. Especially you [edited] who seem to have done all this useless research about trying to prove Kent Hovind guilty. This whole scenario is not about “Tax”! The government, IRS, and everyone else at the top know he isn’t guilty for tax evasion. It’s all about Dr Hovind exposing the truth about how we are all being used as puppets by governments and other organisations. Look at his DVDs closely and you’ll see what Dr Hovind and everyone at CSE are trying to tell you. Look at it with an open mind, with God’s help, and start doing your own research. That’s what all the people at CSE are trying to get you to do. Dinosaurs are only the tip of the iceburg. To all the “little geniuses” out to discredit Hovind – I know who you are and what you are dong here. So go annoy some satanic group or join them, your place is better suited there where what you say will be believed. I don’t fall for a single word you say because it’s a bunch of lies.
    Maybe your first thing to say to me is exactly what I am saying to you.
    I don’t care, I know what I am saying is right.
    Some of the “negatives” probably know this too but are too cowardly to admit it, even to themselves.

    Just ignore these people everyone. You are just diminishing the life of your keyboard on them, they don’t want to listen. They are just trying sway opinions with clever words and facts.

    Take this to heart everyone. Do it for Dr Hovind.
    God Bless

  86. Inna Viller November 21, 2006 11:24 am Reply

    When Jesus comes it is not going to be like playing a game. He is coming with His sword that will separate the truth from a lie. He will check how faithful and true our hearts were to Him and what kind of choices we made as we lived; choices we believed and built our lives on.

    Dr. Kent Hovind has a special annointing to help people pretaste how it is going to be like when we face our Lord one day. It is not about playing games or performing any titles that we gained on this earth. It is about WHO we chose to believe and serve. If we’ve chosen by His mercy and Grace to believe Yeshua, then, we are to go to the end with His truth, conviction, values, sufferings and victory.

    Dr.Hovind’s teachings ministered to my heart, mind and spirit last summer 2006. I grew in the Soviet Union, and till lately I did not know what to do with my Leninism-marxism and darwinistic world view since I became a Christian.Dr.Hovind helped me to see deeper the roots of the “false” world view (and only by Jesus Christ’s eyes I was able to see it.) Dr.Hovind’s teaching straightened my faith and provided understanding of what is going on in the world. It suddenly became as clear as never before what world view had united such the leaders like Hitler and Stalin, Paul Pot and others anti-humanity heros…

    Many do not like absolute statements of the Lord, and Dr. Hovind stuck to them; that’s why “the respectors of relative truths” are rejoicing for Kent Hovind being in jail. However, dear friends, you cannot see how God looks at jails — not like us, people. Remember Paul? Samson? If you do not remember, you should open the Bible one day and discover that… The Lord never forsaken them. We have the wonderful Lord, and He is even hanging out with His people there:-) Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gives much hope for you today as one day He gave it to me…

    Dear Americans who are disrespectful to creationists,

    It is a pitty that you have been compromising the greatest Truth before a lie. It is a pitty that you do not tend to learn historically from other nations — including the nations in the Bible. It is a pitty that you can choose ungodly freedom to do everything that feels good, but reject holiness, righteousness and truth.One day we will have to face the reality to be responsible for our selfishness and self-centeredness, cruelty and ungodliness… If creationism is offensive to you , then, you should know that evolution is ONLY a theory. Does it worth it to built all your life on someone’s theory like Darwin’s one that promotes hatred to people, rasism and devalues people’s lives, justifies crimes? I do not think you are making a good investment in your life and in your future and in your eternal perspective with such a world view.

    Yes, I have been praying for Dr.Hovind as a godly and righteous man so the Lord would give him strength and power, wisdom and love to do what Jesus Christ has for him to do in jail. Our Lord is an Awesom God! He is in control. I know that many Ukrainians have been praying for Kent, and I am one of them.

    God’s Kingdom is near!

    In Christ,
    Inna.

  87. wjm November 23, 2006 1:28 am Reply

    I am home for the holidays and, decided to look up escambia county jail to see how to send Brother Hovind some money for personal items. I find it rather disgusting that according to the website they charge inmates 2 bucks a day for being incarcerated. It just doesnt seem right to me. They also charge for doctors visits, dentists visits and, all medications.

    I want to wish all of you down there at CSE a wonderful thanksgiving. I can only imagine how terribly hard this must be for all of you. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Brother Hovind but, his tapes led me to the Lord in 1999. I am grateful for that and, have always kept an eye on CSE ever since. My wife and I send our love and respect to Kents family and all there at CSE that have been such a blessing to so many. We are praying for you all.

    I would also like to bless all of the wonderful people posting on this blog. may you all find peace on this day.

    To the few mean and nasty people that post here. You should be ashamed of yourself. Have you no honor? Leave these people alone during their time of grief. Would you want others doing this to your friends and family if you were in this situation?

  88. Rickylee November 26, 2006 9:15 am Reply

    This is such a terrible shame. Jesus did say Pay to Caesar what is Caesar and to God what is God.

    I think the following is a shame:

    They withdrew $430,500 from AmSouth Bank between July 20, 2001, and Aug. 9, 2002.
    What did they use the money for?

    Kent Hovind paid his employees in cash and labeled them “missionaries” to avoid payroll tax and FICA requirements.
    For just paying his employees in cash and labeling them as “missionaries” shows that he was trying to avoid income taxes. This is so terribly fraudulent and shameful.

    http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060714/NEWS01/607140333/1006

    I really hope this isn’t true.

  89. drewbo81 November 27, 2006 5:09 am Reply

    First, apologies since I havent read posts past those made on Nov 14. It is after 3am and I dont have the time (yet) since I only found out about this whole situation tonight.

    Anyways, don’t forget that Kent unavoidably HAS paid some taxes likely in the form of sales tax, property tax, gas taxes, this tax that tax etc. It seems that the tax he avoided was income tax paid by an employer for each employee. is CSE a company, non-profit org, or a ministry? I personally hope this sparks some kind of protest against the oppressive and ridiculous tax system we are under. Compare the taxes we suffer now to those that motivated the ‘Boston tea party.’ The taxes started small, and slowly but surely, they grew and grew to what they are now. Slowly enough to avoid protest, but still increasing year by year. I guess kent should have moved to another country if he didn’t like it, right?

  90. JohnLake November 27, 2006 11:40 am Reply

    Robert,

    Since I do not know the name of the Nation of which you are a descendant and since many consider the labels “American Indian” and “Native American” incorrect and some even consider them offensive, so I used aborigine.

    As for your hint, I don’t see how the Declaration of Independence would have any bearing on why Hovind (or you) would not be required to follow the laws of the land. The Declaration is in essence list of grievances against King George III of Great Britain and the British Parliament. Aside from the offical declaration, the document is also a persuasive argument and request to other nations for recognition, as a country, independent from England. There are no legal statutes in this document. So, I’m still unclear as to your reason(s) to disagree with my earlier post.

    Not a good guesser,
    JohnLake

    warocuya
    Said this:

    John Lake,
    To me “Aborigine” means one of the original inhabitants of Australia though the word “Aborigine” means any original person from a region. We do not use “Aborigine” here much.

    My hints (PART I)

    http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/

    Let me know if you still can’t figure it out.

    Robert

  91. ChosenbyHim November 27, 2006 7:58 pm Reply

    To rickylee and all the other haters and so called christians, listen only few find life, Jesus said that, FEW!!! kent hovind is one of the few, perfect? no. chosen and saved? yes. Most of the so called christians on this blog i can guarentee have never even done one thing for God and His Kingdon!! You probably haven’t even witnessed to one single person, that means your not saved, get saved or go to hell, that is your choice. Kent Hovind has dedicated his life to serving God. “Pay your taxes” boy thats a good one, you people are the multitude who left after a free meal. If you can’t recognize a true christian when you see one, then your not one. 2corn. 13:5. This message is not to the true christians who are praying for Kent and his family! Kent your in excellent company, stay strong and the Lord will deliver you!!!!

  92. warocuya November 27, 2006 10:44 pm Reply

    John Lake,

    Are you even American?

    I am surprised that you haven’t figured it out.
    Do you realize that for your interesting posts of laws broken by Dr. Hovind there are others laws that say he’s innocent? And who wrote these other laws? Why the IRS of all people!

    The logic you are using for Dr. Hovind’s guilt is flawed. Why, because you reason like an evolutionist. Quoting laws that contradict other laws.

    Robert

    http://www.warocuya.bravehost.com/

  93. Gordon_Comstock November 27, 2006 11:25 pm Reply

    Rickylee,
    I’ll tell you what I told djtouk or whatever his name was: Christians are called according to Romans 13 to obey our leaders. Now, since we Americans were supposed to have been born into a republic, not a monarchy, not a dictatorship, not a papal state, then our leaders are ourselves–We the People. At least that’s how it was supposed to be before the Illumati NWO and its papal puppet masters tightened the strings around our very necks. But the Papal Beast aside, in a republic, can We the People do whatever we want?–No. We must follow the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. The U.S. Constitution. RickyLee, all your blind uniformed obsequious support of any and all income tax laws does not amount to a hill of beans, BECAUSE THE 16TH AMENDMENT WAS NEVER RATIFIED ACCORDING TO THE U.S CONSTITUTION, THE SUPREME LAW OF THE U.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you hear that, Rickylee? Did that sink in? Did it?
    Go read Bill Benson’s “The Law the Never Was”. Please.
    Go and watch “America: From Freedom to Fascism”. Please, please, please. Thanks to patriotic people who disagree with you and are informed of the facts, I believe you can even watch that new movie for FREE on Google Video. Me, I bought a copy. One of the most worthy 20 bucks I’ve ever thrown down. Go to http://www.freedomtofascism.com
    Rickylee, please, please, please–turn off your TV. Turn off your radio. Throw away your mainstream newspapers and magazines, and don’t believe much of what you read in any book published by a major book publisher. The KJV Bible is explicit when it declares Satan to be the Father of Lies; it also records how Jesus did not contradict Satan on the cliffside when Satan claimed ownership of this world. You put those two realities together, and then do the math; therefore, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, YOU AS A CHRISTIAN SHOULD BE PLACING ZERO FAITH IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA SOURCES. Turn off your FoxNews, your CNN. They are LYING to you. This nation is being run by a CRIME SYNDICATE, of which the Bushes and Clintons are part and parcel. If that shocks you, please understand: The ONLY reason you are shocked at that is because you have been BRAINWASHED by major media lies. From the pit of hell? Yeah, I think Scripturally I could say that and defend it pretty easily. The lies ultimately stem from the God of this world. What–did you think Satan really wasn’t that smart or something? Did you think he hadn’t been that busy that he could get hold of the information centers of this world? Boy oh boy, people who believe so naively do NOT have Scripture on their side here, my friends.
    Question: Think I’m lying? Think I’m crazy? Well, then I challenge you to read and watch any of the following NON-CORPORATION information sources and see for yourself. Open your eyes to the lies all around you!!!

    Independent Videos proving that the U.S. is being led by no less than a crime syndicate:
    The Clinton Chronicles
    JFK II
    Bush Family Fortunes
    Phenomenon: American Midnight
    America: From Freedom to Fascism
    Phenomenon: Monopoly Men

    Independent books proving that the U.S. is being led by no less than a crime syndicate:
    Compromised by Terry Reed
    The Medusa File by Col. Craig Roberts
    The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush by Webster Tarpley
    The Boys on the Tracks by Maya Leveritt
    Barry and the Boys by Daniel Hopsicker

    There are many, many others.

    Rickylee, Kent Hovind knew about this information. He didn’t like to emphasize it, because his emphasis was and is always on Jesus Christ and the Truth of the KJV Bible in the English language. But he referred and refers to it from time to time, and in his words, he would “kick those dogs whenever he passed by them.”
    However, for the purposes of guys like you and djtouk being able to possibly escape the brainwashing you have been subjected to all your life by the Father of Lies, I think it is time you checked this stuff out. That is, if you are interested in the truth, and if you think you can handle it. If you can’t, then please exit this forum and stay silent. Ignorance is no longer an option for you guys. I have given you some outlets where you can prove me wrong; inform yourselves, take up my challenge. Be prepared to pick your jaw up off the floor. Be prepared to have a much deeper grasp of eschatology, Daniel, and Revelation, as well. Oh boy, you check out any of the stuff I’ve mentioned, and you will really have taken the red pill, my friend. Get ready. Get ready, or, if you are not willing, then please pipe down. With all Christian respect I can muster, I submit to you that you do not know of that which you speak.
    It isn’t just about Darwin anymore for Hovind. What he did was draw a line in the sand for all Americans (not that he was the 1st): Are we going to live as citizens of a republic, as the Law and therefore Scripture requires, or are we going to continue bowing down to a crime syndicate who illegally bleeds us of 50% (and rising) of our hard and justly earned income in order to illegally build up illegal weaponry to build the illegal Satanic One World New World Order?
    I think Samuel Adams’ quote applies to you, Rickylee, just as much as it does to djtouk. You either want God-given freedom, or you want slavery. One or the other, it is that black and white here. Never before in the history of man has the choice been this obvious, and you guys are still blowing it. Many times in the past, guys like Jeremiah had to submit to evil gov’t and say that, yes, this is God’s Will at present. But the LAW OF THE LAND and therefore Romans 13 is still on our side here!!!; it is still on freedom’s side; and therefore, the NWO crime syndicate which has usurped the reigns of power in this country, and their illegal income tax system, and the illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve System, is all something that all Christians with more than half a brain should still feel 100% justified in fighting. Gird up your loins, my friend. The Reformers did it–Luther, Zwingli, Knox, et al. Stave off this decades-long embarrassing, bootlicking protestant impotence. Ugh.
    Go Hovind. God Bless You. They’ve done nothing less than make a John Bunyan out of you now. Hang your naysayers, those that refuse to become informed, and still choose slavery to a godless and unlawful and Satanic New World Order crime syndicate.

  94. JohnLake November 28, 2006 1:03 pm Reply

    Robert,

    I was born in California, grew up in Pensacola, Florida, currently live in Texas and I am an US Citizen. That should make me as much an American as the next person.

    Why are you surprised that I have not figured out your reasons to disagree with my earlier post? Your only hint was a link to the Declaration of Independence without specifying why or what part of the document would indicate your reasons.

    Now, am I to understand that you disagreed with me because of “other laws” that say that Hovind is innocent and these laws were also written by the IRS?

    If that is the case, The Declaration of Independence was not a good hint.

    Ok, which laws did the IRS write that contradict the ones I posted?

    JohnLake

    warocuya
    Said this at 10:44pm:

    John Lake,
    Are you even American?

    I am surprised that you haven’t figured it out.
    Do you realize that for your interesting posts of laws broken by Dr. Hovind there are others laws that say he’s innocent? And who wrote these other laws? Why the IRS of all people!

    The logic you are using for Dr. Hovind’s guilt is flawed. Why, because you reason like an evolutionist. Quoting laws that contradict other laws.

    Robert

  95. JeffClark November 29, 2006 12:25 pm Reply

    Lots of hearts go out, but WHERE IS THE WAR EFFORT? How can we fight? What can I do apart from praying? Would it help to call Jeb Bush? Do we need replacement speakers? I noticed CSE’s Itinerary is shockingly empty!!! Do we need to organize a rally of some sort? Radio broadcast of “call your legislator” like Focus on the Family always does? I’m not ok with leaving this up to the US judges to decide. Sounds like Mr. JR Turner has a lot of inside information, what can you tell us?

    http://www.myspace.com/clarkwhitetiger

  96. warocuya December 1, 2006 9:12 am Reply

    John Lake,

    The Declaration was such an easy and obvious hint. You have to read it not give me a synopsis. I can find a synopsis too and post it. But you have to Read it.

    Also, you are not the first genius to bring up these “laws” that were broken by Dr. Hovind. If you purchase the May 2006 radio programs from CSE or TruthRadio.com, you will see that another individual brought up these same points to Kent Hovind from Wikipedia. He took out his IRS laws book and read directly from there. Well according to the IRS law book Kent Hovind is innocent. I could give you the laws but that would keep you from researching. I have given you enough infomation to find them yourself.

    Enjoy,
    Robert

    http://www.warocuya.bravehost.com/

  97. JohnLake December 1, 2006 12:52 pm Reply

    Robert,

    I have read the Declaration. The synopsis was my own, not one found and posted, otherwise I would have cited the reference. Since I am unable to read your mind or decipher which part of the document you beleive has legal significance to the case, I am once again asking for your help. Please tell me where you find a reason in the Declaration of Independence that would cause you to disagree with my post of the statutes that were used to prosecute Kent Hovind.

    I have been a listener of the radio show for sometime now, but don’t recall the particular call/e-mail/IM or Hovind’s answer. However, I have also been downloading and saving the program , so if you give me the date Hovind cited the law(s) then I can check to see if I have it in my archive. If I do not, I will gladly buy the program. Since there are 34.5 hours of the broadcast for the month of May, I ask you to please narrow down the time frame.

    Incidentally, I looked at the Wikapedia entries from May 2006 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_Hovind&offset=20060531013444&limit=116&action=history ) and did not see any reference to statues that were the same as, or similar to, the ones in my post. Are you sure that the issue brought up/defended by Hovind on the radio show was the same ones I listed? The only statute referenced in the Wikapedia article was US tax code §508(c)(1)(a), which was not at issue in the case.

    As for doing my own research, I think that I have demonstrated that I can and have done so. I am willing to do more, but you need to provide more guidance. I don’t think I that I should have to read/interpret the entire US Tax code only to find that the law(s) you claim exonerate Hovind may not even exist.

    JohnLake

    Warocuya
    Said this at 9:12am:

    John Lake,
    The Declaration was such an easy and obvious hint. You have to read it not give me a synopsis. I can find a synopsis too and post it. But you have to Read it.

    Also, you are not the first genius to bring up these “laws” that were broken by Dr. Hovind. If you purchase the May 2006 radio programs from CSE or TruthRadio.com, you will see that another individual brought up these same points to Kent Hovind from Wikipedia. He took out his IRS laws book and read directly from there. Well according to the IRS law book Kent Hovind is innocent. I could give you the laws but that would keep you from researching. I have given you enough infomation to find them yourself.

    Enjoy,
    Robert

  98. warocuya December 1, 2006 5:08 pm Reply

    Hi John,

    Are you a Christian?

    You write well and sound smart but your premise is still false.
    You remind me of another evolutionist I wrote to.

    Nice move though.
    Robert

    http://www.warocuya.bravehost.com/

  99. iago9067 December 3, 2006 2:34 pm Reply

    jonnylake title 26 6331a is kent hovind or any of his people 1 of these
    (a) Authority of Secretary
    If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon all property and rights to property (except such property as is exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such tax. Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official. If the Secretary makes a finding that the collection of such tax is in jeopardy, notice and demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by the Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period provided in this section.

  100. JohnLake December 5, 2006 1:03 pm Reply

    Robert,

    Thank you for the compliments, but you have yet to answer any of my questions. Which is baffling to me, all I am asking is; why do you disagree with my post concerning the statutes that landed Hovind in jail?

    Why are you unable to simply convey your opinion?

    Or give me a little understanding on which part of the Declaration of Independence you hinted would apply to this legality of this case.

    Or cite the statutes that you claim would exonerate Hovind.

    As for your question; “Are you a Christian?” Why are you asking me this? Do I have to be an American (a question from an earlier post) and a Christian in order for you to provide a straight answer to my questions?

    There was no “move” on my part. I am merely trying to understand your cryptic objection to my post.

    “Dear McGurk, djhouk, baliset, jigufli,
    As an American Indian I disagree with you.
    and John Lake, good points but I still disagree – Can you guess why?”

    Regards,
    JohnLake

    warocuya
    Said this at 5:08pm
    Hi John,
    Are you a Christian?
    You write well and sound smart but your premise is still false.
    You remind me of another evolutionist I wrote to.
    Nice move though.
    Robert

  101. JohnLake December 5, 2006 2:48 pm Reply

    iago9067,

    I’m not a tax attorney, but I don’t think Kent Hovind or any of his people is/are the Secretary of the Treasury.

    I imagine TITLE 26, Subtitle F, CHAPTER 64, Subchapter D — Seizure of Property for Collection of Taxes could used be to collect the funds that the court found Hovind guilty of not withholding.

    However, the government is utilizing TITLE 31 > SUBTITLE IV > CHAPTER 53 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 5317 to file liens against the properties owned by Hovind/CSE/etc. in order to collect the judgement of $430,400.00 for the “structuring” convictions.

    JohnLake

  102. Rickylee December 5, 2006 8:27 pm Reply

    To ChosenbyHim
    That was kind of harsh to call me a hater, I do not hate Dr. Hovind. I enjoyed his ministry but I hate the sins that has got him jailed.

    To Gordon_Comstock

    I am not going to argue with you on your tax protesting view. Right now you are in the minority and as long as the IRS is in business I will not be joining Dr. Hovind in jail but you are welcome to.

    As I said before Jesus said to pay to Caesar what is Caesars and pay to God what is God. I do not remember this being a conditional statement.

    Dr. Hovind is going to be judged on a higher standard for his position in the church. The church is not the place for undermining the IRS. The church’s mission was laid down in the Great Commission, to spread the Good news of the gospel to all nations.

    The money that is collected thru the church is God’s money, not Dr. Hovind’s money. Since he refused to pay the people in his church as employee, the church will have to pay all employee’s unwithheld taxes, churches portion of the taxes and interest and penalties. This is a poor use of God’s money of having to pay out money that the church should not have to pay out.
    He set a bad example as a minister of the church and gives all churchs a bad name.

    As long as the IRS still taxes our nation we should obey the laws.

    I do wish him well, and I hope he find some better friends who is not so willing to commit tax evasion.

  103. xchampion91 December 14, 2006 1:11 pm Reply

    RickyLee,

    You do have very valid points. One thing that I would like you to think over is that the IRS and Federal reserve are not legal entities and are not our Government, therefore what Dr. Hovind did in not paying taxes for his employees doesn’t conflict with the scripture “render to Caesar Caesar’s.

    I think that you are a good Christian man and applaud your candor, but I believe you are slightly wrond in your statement.

    God bless you and keep you!

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